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| Beatflux |
I was reading the 4 hour workweek and i think i need to cut down on some i do while producing. I endlessly tweak things and it really cuts down on my writing productivity. I will dick around with volume automation for like a couple of hours on one part and not get a thing done. maybe i was thinking i should just try and write a song in 2 hours, and at the end just stop but no real mixing or sound design.
i can separate the sound design into another session, and then when the writing is done is save up a pool of tracks and then pick the best one to mix down. Maybe like 5 or so. Not writing a full track is killing me though...its killing me more than making the bass be perfect or whatever.
i think avicii does writing/arrangement first and armin said his best tracks come, he writes in 2-3 hours...
I'm thinking maybe start out with a loop or some samples, and then just banging out with presets and stuff that i've already made. afterwards, pick the best out of a liter of 5 tracks and polish sounds and mix...thoughts? |
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| Storyteller |
Get a job where the book is applied easier.
I read the book myself but I'm too easily distracted. I've tried to apply some of it to my life and it has helped, even though I haven't done a proper implementation of it I guess.
The problem is, making music is a creative process for the most of us. I wouldn't finish a single thing by seperating different activities related to music production. I think of melodies and sounds whilst creating beats or just by listening. I have to act on impulse to get anything decent out of it. It just doesn't work for me, and I must admit I've tried several times. I could just go on a sound-design tour, but it wouldn't really work since I'm randomly designing sounds. It is easier for me to try and achieve the sound I am looking for when there is a half finished track to refer to. |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| When Avicii did the "in the studio" serious with futuremusic, he first starts the track by coming up with a main melody. Then, he simply busts out the track in less than 2 hours. He finds sounds that work for the melody, then he finds percussion that works, then he does the intro, the first break and then he finishes the rest of the track. He said after that he sits down and does all the mixing etc. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
When Avicii did the "in the studio" serious with futuremusic, he first starts the track by coming up with a main melody. Then, he simply busts out the track in less than 2 hours. He finds sounds that work for the melody, then he finds percussion that works, then he does the intro, the first break and then he finishes the rest of the track. He said after that he sits down and does all the mixing etc. |
I think laidback puke does his tracks in 4...3 for writing then half for mixing and half and hour for mastering. |
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| Richard Butler |
Horses for courses. I can't get motivated enough by a track unless each sound is in my view as perfect as possible. I find then as each layer builds I get more inspired to then address the next item.
Just do what feels right to you I think. This reminds me of martial arts. The one I stuck with for years is Krav Maga because it's all about doing what comes more natrually to you, rather than sticking you in a straight jacket. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
i think avicii does writing/arrangement first and armin said his best tracks come, he writes in 2-3 hours...
I'm thinking maybe start out with a loop or some samples, and then just banging out with presets and stuff that i've already made. afterwards, pick the best out of a liter of 5 tracks and polish sounds and mix...thoughts? |
The Armin thing has always been the same for me - the main bulk of my best tracks is put together really quickly - why? cos if it works it works...
I still think you need to have an idea of the sound of the track or idea you are going for, nothing wrong with playing around with loops as ideas can spring from that but it can also be a recipe for going nowhere |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Just do what feels right to you I think. This reminds me of martial arts. The one I stuck with for years is Krav Maga because it's all about doing what comes more natrually to you, rather than sticking you in a straight jacket. |
I think I am sticking myself in straight jacket, trying to make everything perfect and nothing comes together. It really doesn't matter how perfect I make something, if it's not going to come together. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I think I am sticking myself in straight jacket, trying to make everything perfect and nothing comes together. It really doesn't matter how perfect I make something, if it's not going to come together. |
Maybe post an example so I can see what your'e getting at by 'it's not comming together'. |
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| Beatflux |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Maybe post an example so I can see what your'e getting at by 'it's not comming together'. |
I am just stuck in a rut, I write like one motif, extend it out and then it turns into an orgy of excessive tweaking.
yakult_41_final.wav - 35.3 Mb |
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| TranceLover007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by jayxthekoolest
.... first starts the track by coming up with a main melody. |
It is my way of doing businesses (even when I was your age and play in rock band we almost always started with base melody).
Darek |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| Great things take time. Now there are ways to use that time efficiently but this attitude of doing things quick tends to churn up derivative generic music. You want to be commercial and pop, that is fine but you have the same people slagging bass hunter doing e same ing thing. |
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| Rodri Santos |
if you don't see real progress is better to quit that project and start a new one, maybe some weeks later you are more inspired. If it works the whole process is very intuitive and you can have a track done in 3 days without much hassle, but to make something out of the box even if it works and you are inspired is going to take time.
Anything envolving a lot of automation of the plugins, creating complex percussion loops, several micro layers with variations of a sound, polished mix and elaborated melodies... at least a week of hard work there is no secret way to do it faster. |
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