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| jamie23 |
Hi guys,
I'm just new to the forum and just looking some tips for getting into the production world.
I am really just wondering were is best to start with getting down to actually sticking a track together for it then to be effected and the like. I have used ableton but really just for mixing tracks together not for production, just hearing all these awesome trance/progressive stuff makes me wonder how it's done
Like do producers think of an idea/melody or how do they start a tune off and compose it and all that? Is ableton the best for starting off or would I be best learning cubase or FL
I have a 49 key midi keyboard but it wont work with ableton (pretty old keyboard though)
I have looked at some threads in here regarding producing and it is all quite detailed and complex am just wondering about the very basics of starting off as I want to get a heads up due to doing a music technology degree in September
any advice is great thanks |
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| PassiePassion |
If you just want to learn how to make music.
Then search Emagic-Logic.Audio.Platinum.v5.5.1.rar
And have a look on my snapshot tutor link below at signatures.
I have created a full pictured tutor for that sequencer.
You can do step by step as you read and look at the pictures.
So that could be a way to learn how stuf works.
The tutor handles how to use the sequencer and even how to use the internal sampler.
Might be helpful as a starter , good luck ;) |
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| jamie23 |
| thanks will get a look soon |
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| Beatflux |
If you already have Ableton, then learn Ableton.
WTF is up with learning old logic 5 that will never be updated for PC? |
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| PassiePassion |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
If you already have Ableton, then learn Ableton.
WTF is up with learning old logic 5 that will never be updated for PC? |
Thats why i said if you only want to learn how to make music.
I still do anything with my old Logic PC version
It can do anything you need to create a song.
So even if it doesn't get updates anymore
I still can run every VSTi that i find on it
So who needs updates if everything you want to do is already possible with the tool that you use.
But if you can find a detailed tutor like i made for Abelton ,OFF COURSE use that.
Because your already familiar with that tool.
If you don't know much about abelton then i still say try mine.
Cos in my tutor i handle the audio driver instalations to the use of the tool
I made that tutor specially for people who are new to audio
So it's made in a way that you do while you read and learn
And can end with a first done project using all things you learned.
Most tutors wont go step by step like that ,Thats why i think its a very good one to learn from. ;) |
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| EddieZilker |
Don't do any of this:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...31#.UAXFMvVnAS_
Also, check out Edirol UM-1x MIDI to USB interface - should resolve any issues you have hooking an old keyboard to your computer. This is actually what I use with my Yamaha PSR-170. I just don't think it's possible that Ableton isn't compatible with it because MIDI is a well-established, industry-wide protocol. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by jamie23
Is ableton the best for starting off or would I be best learning cubase or FL
...I want to get a heads up due to doing a music technology degree in September
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As for the first part, there is no best software host (DAW), nor is there a best DAW for any particular style of music. Since you have some experience with Ableton, you might want to just stick with it. It's a very popular DAW for EDM and there are a lot of really good free and paid tutorials for Ableton. However,...
...as for the second part, it might be a good idea to find out which DAW(s) you will be using in your music technology degree and get a head start with that one. |
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| PassiePassion |
Some extra info for non members who only read here yet wanna try it too.
And if you don't want to have to spend cash for a pro sound card.
For ASIO, there is an "universal ASIO driver for WDM audio" available on ASIO4ALL. Please refer to http://www.asio4all.com
It is free for end-users.
And this Asio driver is for your Realtek internal mobo soundcard.
Many motherboards have that audiodriver in their chipset
So when using the asio4all emulator you can also work.
You will probably get a bit latency but not extreme.
I even did a vocal record session ones on realtek as test without any latency.
So if it's only to try then this can save you some cash
With old pc's you could connect a wire to the game port and use that as your midi
That should be able to work with your keyboard
Like do producers think of an idea/melody or how do they start a tune off and compose it and all that?
Sometimes i walk in the park and then a melody pops in my head.
Then i can use my phone to hum the melody and at home play the tune with a synthesizer.
But most times i turn on my sequencer ,load up a drumkit and a VSTi
Then i make a loop of 8 bar in my sequencer.
Select midi on my vsti drum preset and play a beat on my soundkit.
Then i play a bass rhythm and listen to the music.
Inspiration will then bring a new melody in your mind if not
Then you select a VSTi sound and start listening to presets-sounds
While you got your drums playing and then most times you find what you want on that sound
Ones your further in it then you hear a sound in your head
And then you will try to create that sound yourself with a vsti
At least thats what most producers do
But presets are very usefull too to get inspired
Is ableton the best for starting off or would I be best learning cubase or FL
If you want to study to become an engeneer
Then it would be wise to see what tools they use in the place where you want to work.
Thats how i started using Logic i was first on cubase ATARI
Logic pc also had a good sampler and more audio
So i started learning Logic and still use it cos it can do anything i want to do.
But if i would want to work in a pro studio as sound engeneer
Then i would probably buy a mac and a new logic 9 mac version
That cos as far as i know most pro studio's use Logic still
And then its the shoes you walk on each day
So then you want a tool where you work with at most ease
For a home studio i'd say use whatever you find nices to work with.
If you want music as your profession then i'd say learn the one that you need to know in the future
And if possible try the other known sequencers too then
Then you know how all work thats handy if it becomes your profession.
Most programs will have a demo version to give it a try
And basicly all programs are the same and do the same.
Every program just does it in it's own way or the function is at another place in the tool.
I have never tried ableton yet
But i'm sure i can figure it out with my cubase and logic knowledge.
The basics will always stay the same on any tool
I made a couple of reworks for a friend as example.
He uses reason ,so i synced reason to logic
And was even able to edit some notes on reason
So knowing a bit of any tool can come in handy one day ;)
You can synchronise other sequencers to your sequencer
Just like you can synchronise Rebirth 303 to your sequencer
So you can actually use some together if you want to improve the song of a client in your studio ;)
Edit> TIP
If you find a tutor that you like.
Instal CutePDF thats another free tool
After installing it sits in your pc as a virtual printer
So you can select a webpage ,all text and figures ,links on it
And then do print screen to save the tutor-webpage as a PDF file on your pc.
You can even edit the text in the pdf or better said select text to copy past it later
Might come in handy on your learning trip with all the informative websites out there
Good luck ;) |
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| jamie23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
As for the first part, there is no best software host (DAW), nor is there a best DAW for any particular style of music. Since you have some experience with Ableton, you might want to just stick with it. It's a very popular DAW for EDM and there are a lot of really good free and paid tutorials for Ableton. However,...
...as for the second part, it might be a good idea to find out which DAW(s) you will be using in your music technology degree and get a head start with that one. |
hi thanks for the reply, I think it will be a bit of ableton and pro tools, I have seen pro tools but feel it is more for recording audio into it then saving and editing
not sure how it works with EDM |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by jamie23
hi thanks for the reply, I think it will be a bit of ableton and pro tools, I have seen pro tools but feel it is more for recording audio into it then saving and editing
not sure how it works with EDM |
It's more myth than fact - as a long-time PT user who has primarily used other DAWs (e.g., Sonar, Cubase, Studio One, even owned Live for a while), I can tell you that PT's capabilities are more than adequate for EDM. However, it is still primarily used for audio and I would assume that, since your program will be using it alongside Live, you'll be using Live for most of the MIDI work and PT primarily for audio work. PT has a pretty steep learning curve, though, so you still might want to consider getting familiar with it in advance to give yourself an advantage.
Back to your original question, the obvious answer IMO is to stick with Live for EDM because: (1) you're already familiar with it, (2) you'll be using it in your program, and (3) as I mentioned above, there are a ton of good tutorials for using Live for EDM.
The last thing that I would suggest to help you get up to speed quickly is to buy an all-access membership to groove3.com. It's an excellent online tutorial service that has really clear, concise, and in-depth tutorials for Ableton Live, PT, music production (incl. EDM), music theory, etc. They will get you familiar with your tools in no time.
http://www.groove3.com/str/ |
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| Rawwkit |
| quote: | Originally posted by jamie23
Hi guys,
I'm just new to the forum and just looking some tips for getting into the production world.
I am really just wondering were is best to start with getting down to actually sticking a track together for it then to be effected and the like. I have used ableton but really just for mixing tracks together not for production, just hearing all these awesome trance/progressive stuff makes me wonder how it's done
Like do producers think of an idea/melody or how do they start a tune off and compose it and all that? Is ableton the best for starting off or would I be best learning cubase or FL
I have a 49 key midi keyboard but it wont work with ableton (pretty old keyboard though)
I have looked at some threads in here regarding producing and it is all quite detailed and complex am just wondering about the very basics of starting off as I want to get a heads up due to doing a music technology degree in September
any advice is great thanks |
Well if you are "Just Starting" production then my suggestion is look up videos and pick a DAW. I chose Ableton Live, and watch every beginner video you can find (in your genre you want to produce). Helped me out a tremendous load other than trying to figure things out myself. Learn chords and try to learn 2-3 things every single day. By the end of the week you should have the basis of how to create a track. Even if its a drum loop. Your getting some where. But hence, don't study, while you try to perform. You will run across frustration rather quickly. Takes time and LOTS of practice.
Keep at it, hit the ground running :) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
Live needs to stop assuming everyone usi their software uses a laptop and has vanity thick rimmed goggles and owns a shirt that says glitch this. But honestly, for those that have multiple screens , the concept of windows would be nice and something developers started doing in like 2000.
As cryo said, pt has improved their automation in fact I would argue logic has the worst midi automation implementation of all the daws. Yes you can do it, and yess I know enough a bought the environment to create a sine lfo which is created by the actual program which woud require most people about 80 hours, the fact is that logic automation is never sample accurate, which is annoying with fast automation in edm making one have to resort to the midi cc style automation. it lacks the ability to directly draw in wave shapes but since tools like lfo tool and midishaper, it isn't such a big deal. |
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