Hey M4B, did you learn how to criticize music at the school you didn't go to?
Looney4Clooney
You mean didnt graduate,
And the one I did , McGill , which was what people found, guess what, best music program in Canada. So ya, not sure what the you are talking about. And no that was all classical music.
Trancelover03591
I think the delay on the vocals become a bit overwhelming. It's not perfect but there is a lot of well executed parts and I think it could be very good could with some revisions.
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
You seem to be looking for every part to be as prominent as the bass-line when I was pulling parts back to give them space and contrast in relation to it. You carp about the lack of transients when 1) the wave-form above clearly demonstrates their presence, 2) that I was keeping the kick work scaled-down partially to accent the bass-line phrasing, and 3) I can still hear transients. You complain about a constancy of distortion but a lot of my sound choice was dictated by a desire to compliment the already distorted vocal source (i.e. Instead of using a typical hi-hat pattern, I used ride cymbals because of their decay).
The distortion also adds to the atmosphere, which I was trying to cultivate. It's part of the song but not one which draws focus away from its totality. In reality, there are only three tracks which are actually distorted - the vocals, the bass-line, and the Rhodes. It is a song, using key phrases from an altogether different song recorded on a hand-held camera, put through delay for a certain psychological influence, through repetitious interaction, which the instrumentation reacts to. I'll be the last person to say it is some pinnacle of achievement in music-production history but don't expect me to rethink my decisions concerning its inception or process because of your continued presence in this thread when it seems as though any decision I could have made can be framed in such a way as to be an incorrect one.
Furthermore, I can imagine that, had this mix lived up to the expectations you judge it against, in this thread, it would have been criticized just as thoroughly for having done that. Nevermind the fact that it wouldn't even be the same song, you'd have pointed to the transients being too apparent. You would still say it's over-compressed because it would, in fact be, over-compressed. In its sterility, divorced from any distortion, what-so-ever, you'd likely tell me I could have colored it with saturation on the master channel.
I'm not trying to disagree with you to prove you wrong and I'm not even trying to convince you that we made something wonderful that you're over-looking the beauty of. Honestly, you're doing me favors in a lot of ways by forcing me to think about my process, after the fact. I'm definitely not trying to disrespect you. I just don't think I'm out of line for defending my work, either.
please don't attempt to assume things i have not said. Your track actually has too much of everything, and as result , too little of everything. It is that mixing yin yang, make everything big , and everything sounds small , and cluttered. You don't focus on anything. Your bass is prominent in loudness and obnoxiousness, not as a point of music focus.
The waveform shows peaks, not transients that would translate into something musical. I would learn a little more about the actual physics are you are making some links that are erroneous.
I don't need to download it. The things that are wrong with your mix are not soundcloud artifacts.
The vocals, you roll off the top, have too much mid lows, basically you do the exact opposite of what one should do with a vocal.
The drums, you use a traditioanl sounding set yet treat it like some EDM squashed electro stem. You can't actually make out any of the individual instruments that make up the group.
Sorry dude. I've complemented people on here from time to time. And i like you and this isn't some fidn a fault at all cost shadenfreud type bull. I guess i expected more. But the mix is really really bad. I mean just the general point of mixing, so you can hear the elements in the mix, seems lost on you. I would actually mix this for you and send you the project file if that gives you any indication of how far i would go to help you.
This would of sounded better with no FX, no mixing, just proper levels. I can't think of any source that would sound so bad which makes me think that everything thing you added was one step in the wrong direction.
And why are you wasting your time defending yourself. If you disagree, then just ignore. I don't want you to defend yourself or explain why i'm wrong. I don't care, This is how i feel. Take it or leave it.
EddieZilker
quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
please don't attempt to assume things i have not said. Your track actually has too much of everything, and as result , too little of anything. It is that mixing yin yang, make everything big , and everything sounds small , and cluttered. You don't focus on anything. Your bass is prominent in loudness and obnoxiousness, not as a point of music focus.
The waveform shows peaks, not transients that would translate into something musical. I would learn a little more about the actual physics are you are making some links that are erroneous.
I don't need to download it. The things that are wrong with your mix are not soundcloud artifacts.
The vocals, you roll off the top, have too much mid lows, basically you do the exact opposite of what one should do with a vocal.
The drums, you use a traditioanl sounding set yet treat it like some EDM squashed electro stem. You can't actually make out any of the individual instruments that make up the group.
Sorry dude. I've complemented people on here from time to time. And i like you and this isn't some fidn a fault at all cost shadenfreud type bull. I guess i expected more. But the mix is really really bad. I mean just the general point of mixing, so you can hear the elements in the mix, seems lost on you. I would actually mix this for you and send you the project file if that gives you any indication of how far i would go to help you.
This would of sounded better with no FX, no mixing, just proper levels. I can't think of any source that would sound so bad which makes me think that everything thing you added was one step in the wrong direction.
And why are you wasting your time defending yourself. If you disagree, then just ignore. I don't want you to defend yourself or explain why i'm wrong. I don't care, This is how i feel. Take it or leave it.
You've incessantly spammed this thread with less effort than I put into defending it. The fact remains that you've still incessantly spammed the thread with negative criticism. Now, you're dithering semantics. Your suggestions have been as untenable as they are hyperbolic (i.e. that I need to unlearn everything I already have and start from scratch). I have to ask: What are you trying to accomplish?
Looney4Clooney
i've spammed your thread ?
You've put more into defending it because to explain why it is so bad would require your ing project file. I don't know why it sounds so bad. That is why i was surprised and confused. For all i know, you recorded everything on your ing iphone and used an app to mix it on your ipad. I am genuinely confused as to how you managed to it up so bad. SOme sort of insight into why or what you did was what i wanted because i did want to help but until i have some more info, i can just point out what is bad. I can't even begin to tell you how to fix it . Well i suppose i could. Start over. It is that bad. I just start again.
The bass, which you managed to make sound ing horrendous is too prominent. How you don't hear this, i mean higher frequencies, i get, people go deaf and that rolls of the top but bass ? how do you not hear the bass completely over powering everything else. You can't hear the vocals yet the track title features a vocalist. Little bit of a problem no ? You've managed to kill most of the transients , blurred most of the instruments basically done the opposite of what a mix engineer is supposed to do. YOu make a rhytmic track where the drums are barely audible. There there. But everything is so ing muddy it is just a ing string of noise. There was your feedback.
call it what you want. I think you should go take a few steps back, and try mixing , say just a drum set. Then add a bass. I don't know. But you have barely improved in 2 years. So you are doing something wrong. And you might want to think about that. Unless you don't give a . Then why the do you care what i say.
If you have a problem with negative criticism, then don't put like this up. This is not even in the realm of something for an amateur i would consider not bad, It is terrible. Me being negative is contingent on your work. There was nothing in your track i found appealing. So i was left to deal with the issues which , as i mentioned i could use a little more insight.
What am i trying to accomplish ? you post a ing a track looking for feedback. You got it. What the are you trying to accomplish is a better question.
You did the same ing cry baby bull the last time you posted that other thing 2 years ago. This was just as bad.
If you aren't looking for feedback, then ing say so. Because i'm doing you the favour. ANd it is rather annoying when you ing cry. I went out of my way to listen. When out of my way to respond.
EddieZilker
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i've spammed your thread ?
You've put more into defending it because to explain why it is so bad would require your ing project file. I don't know why it sounds so bad. That is why i was surprised and confused. For all i know, you recorded everything on your ing iphone and used an app to mix it on your ipad. I am genuinely confused as to how you managed to it up so bad. SOme sort of insight into why or what you did was what i wanted because i did want to help but until i have some more info, i can just point out what is bad. I can't even begin to tell you how to fix it . Well i suppose i could. Start over. It is that bad. I just start again.
The bass, which you managed to make sound ing horrendous is too prominent. How you don't hear this, i mean higher frequencies, i get, people go deaf and that rolls of the top but bass ? how do you not hear the bass completely over powering everything else. You can't hear the vocals yet the track title features a vocalist. Little bit of a problem no ? You've managed to kill most of the transients , blurred most of the instruments basically done the opposite of what a mix engineer is supposed to do. YOu make a rhytmic track where the drums are barely audible. There there. But everything is so ing muddy it is just a ing string of noise. There was your feedback.
call it what you want. I think you should go take a few steps back, and try mixing , say just a drum set. Then add a bass. I don't know. But you have barely improved in 2 years. So you are doing something wrong. And you might want to think about that. Unless you don't give a . Then why the do you care what i say.
If you have a problem with negative criticism, then don't put like this up. This is not even in the realm of something for an amateur i would consider not bad, It is terrible. Me being negative is contingent on your work. There was nothing in your track i found appealing. So i was left to deal with the issues which , as i mentioned i could use a little more insight.
What am i trying to accomplish ? you post a ing a track looking for feedback. You got it. What the are you trying to accomplish is a better question.
You did the same ing cry baby bull the last time you posted that other thing 2 years ago. This was just as bad.
If you aren't looking for feedback, then ing say so. Because i'm doing you the favour. ANd it is rather annoying when you ing cry. I went out of my way to listen. When out of my way to respond.
I'm definitely not crying. Your feedback rings with a propagandistic repetition. You've posted six separate times; twice subsequent to posts from other people, that were less critical than yours. Your rhetoric has all the hallmarks of a well-worn, hectoring belligerence, the only purpose for which is to be belligerent. I've been more than reasonable in dealing with it. I'm pretty sure most people would agree that I've bent over backwards to accommodate a more constructive, cordial dialogue, in spite of the veiled antagonism from your corner.
I'm not some delusional wanker, writing in third person, claiming this song is going to be the next big-time, dance-floor bomb. Even in my defense of it, I've not been some loathsome, self-aggrandizing telling you to off because you don't know what you're talking about. In spite of my congenial manner, your goal has been to shame me for not making a better mix. As near as I can tell, that's the only thing you seem to be concerned with. If you were actually interested in helping me make a better mix, we'd be having a conversation about that.
Halcyon+On+On
I love listening to this track. This is right on:
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Originally posted by Richard Butler
Your kick drum patterns are very trippy and almost unsyncopated, but somehow mainly see to work.
I love the unsynocpated vibe to it. I love how it shifts gears. It's not lacking in direction, it's guiding, and hypnotic. If I can compare it to something in my own tastes, the feel of the music itself is not unlike SP's "Candle" - thoroughly out of sync, yet tugging you on its percussive wavelength:
You bet it's unlike most dub and unlike almost all electronic music you guys listen to. You bet it works; oh, you don't bet it works? Guess maybe you should have gone to Juilliard.
Looney4Clooney
really ?
Read the ing thread over. I was rather polite. Asked you what you where doing. Then people started calling it a style which would be a disservice to you. So I called people on that. Bad mixing isn't a style. And then you ing lost it with these endless ing exercises in rhetoric. Making idiotic links between things i say, and some waveform which has no ing correlation. You claim i don't want to help, well i tried to understand the source, gave you some general advice, You 've just defended your work why ? i have no ing idea. So i would say , you are the one that doesn't want help.
Some people post ty mixes, so i move to the musical elements. Unfortunately, you have nothing there so i'm really in a tough spot.
I'm not belligerent. I'm annoyed. You post a ty mix. I was rather kind in explaining why. Then you have the ing audacity to demand my intentions after offering to ing mix the thing for you to perhaps shed some light on your deal.
Unbelievable.
And the worst part is that you criticize others, perhaps in more cruel ways saying it sucks with no indication why. You have no ing moral high ground. I didn't realize you were this ing sensitive.
This is my opinion. Take it or leave it. But compared to everyone single other person, what i said, has specific mention of items. So i'm sorry you don't like my pillow talk. I'm sorry my threshold for is rather low. I'm sorry you find offence to those that try and point out the parts that need work instead of fluffing your dick and i'm sorry your feelings are hurt over such a nonsensical issue.
Halcyon+On+On
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Asked you what you where doing.
Why is location of any relevance?
Looney4Clooney
A: go back to the throwing COR forum where you can actually contribute. Eddie is quite able to talk for himself.
B. I was talking about the mix. Something you would not understand which begs the question why you are hear unless you think there is some sort of internet battle and you need to back up your internet friend.
to eddie, The fact i was curious as to what you where doing would indicate i actually care. And this is what ing annoys me. it sucks. Nobody would say other wise. ANd i tried to get some insight as to what the you where doing to make it sound so bad so we could work on some things. I even offered to mix it for you. So how the you come to the conclusion that i'm some trying to steal your thunder, really ing blows my mind. Have i not constantly tried to help you ? when you needed a hardrive. I offered to ing fedex you one gratis. So really dude, don't ing say i don't care. I've done lots for you. You've done nothing for me. Not do i ask you to do anything. So shut the up in regards to who is a dick or what ever the you say in those essays i don't really read. I gloss. I mean i care about those essays, they just don't fit into my schedule.
Halcyon+On+On
A: As an utterly uneducated music enthusiast, my opinion is technically as qualified as your own. Actually more so; I, after, all, am not looking to be a music critic of any quotable significance - why do you even bother? No, don't bother defending yourself, I am sure people are quite tired of researching your woefully lacking credentials.
B: I am talking about the mix, too. What made you think I wasn't? The fact that you call into question his setup does so little to further your credibility, it's actually rather distinctively journalistic now that I think about it... hey, maybe you would make an excellent critic! All comment and no substance, it's probably the most you can aspire to in any case.
