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I can't pretend that digital is more enjoyable... maybe I'm too old?! (pg. 2)
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| Jarvmeister |
Don't forget, it's all subjective - that's the whole thing about music, what floats my boat doesn't necessarily float yours. I view one piece as melancholic, you view it as uplifting.
System J - have to say, I like what you're saying - especially with that exhilaration when you're willing that mix to 'work out', but disagree with the last bit about removing ALL the manual skill. In my ideal, you keep that skill in while still pushing the boundaries and potential of the technology - so you keep that uncertainty - retaining that satisfaction felt by both the performer and the audience. That was always part of the experience for me, when you and the DJ (or you and the crowd) felt that connection when a mix was nailed.
But remember, it's all subjective. My thread title suggests my enjoyment of the digital movement is affected by my age. I'm not saying one thing is right or wrong globally, I'm making comments on my own preferences. |
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| Juan Paulino |
| manual mixing will always be the best and the most fun. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
isn't all mixing manual ?
I personally find things that are musical in nature more fun to incorporate rather than technicalities that don't make a set better, only worse. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| A laptop can't get you laid but it's way easier to do cocaine off of one. |
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| Ryan0751 |
That is clearly a live recorded vinyl mix.
It's next to impossible to play for 2 hours on vinyl and not drift and correct at least one or two times, no matter how good you are.
Vinyl is fun to play on, but it really does require more skill than CDJ's. Quite a bit more, actually. I always laugh at DJ's who are like "oh I know how to beatmatch, vinyl is so easy.". Maybe if you aren't a perfectionist it is...
| quote: | Originally posted by itsamemario
that's not drifting, that's horrible dj work. I thought you meant minute changes in the phase gradually happening over several bars, which indeed is very pleasing. That just was a sub-par transition. |
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| Allied Nations |
then... don't dj digitally?
no one is forcing you to do anything |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
That is clearly a live recorded vinyl mix.
It's next to impossible to play for 2 hours on vinyl and not drift and correct at least one or two times, no matter how good you are.
Vinyl is fun to play on, but it really does require more skill than CDJ's. Quite a bit more, actually. I always laugh at DJ's who are like "oh I know how to beatmatch, vinyl is so easy.". Maybe if you aren't a perfectionist it is... |
That anyone would notice? It is. You will get phasing issues in digital as not everything is perfectly hard quantized to 16th notes.Digital and vinyl won't help you there. Unless you completely warp the track so it is no longer the same track.
You are constantly correcting because vinyl is not perfect despite how accurate theclock is. The record, slipmats and power source all mess with that .....but any seasoned dj that can ride the pitch fader will do it instantively.unless they are ed up which is usually the case.
Most pros beat match without having to re cue. It really is that simple with a little practice. But a lot of djs never learned to beat match without having to rely on twisting the nipple or dragging the platter. |
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| Ryan0751 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
That anyone would notice? It is. You will get phasing issues in digital as not everything is perfectly hard quantized to 16th notes.Digital and vinyl won't help you there. Unless you completely warp the track so it is no longer the same track.
You are constantly correcting because vinyl is not perfect despite how accurate theclock is. The record, slipmats and power source all mess with that .....but any seasoned dj that can ride the pitch fader will do it instantively.unless they are ed up which is usually the case.
Most pros beat match without having to re cue. It really is that simple with a little practice. But a lot of djs never learned to beat match without having to rely on twisting the nipple or dragging the platter. |
Oh I know, I learned to ride the pitch quite well.
Just go back and listen to some studio mixes from the 90's from the top DJ's... it's amazing what you can hear now that you DJ yourself :) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| well that isn't quite fair because your ears are trained. To the average person at a party, not noticeable at all, in a mix , to most not noticeable. You really need to start creating a flange effect for people to go , wait that is weird. And live, you can stray pretty far and as long as the bass is not engaged on both, nobody will notice. Except for the 10 djs behind you. |
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| clay |
| i welcome the digital dis. they can be awesome when they dont need to worry about skipping and pitching - examply of this is speedy j, the most inovative dj at the moment. playing mp3/wav from usb on cdjs is the future imo. laptops arent cool enough and most people arent good at interacting with crowd when looking at the screen. soon the cdjs might be without a cd-slot all together. just bring your usbs to the party and your good. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jarvmeister
It used to be said that the skill of a DJ was the art of correction. |
Yeah, but no dj with a shred of self-respect would bring in a track that wasn't matched up at least to the point where it wouldn't slide out a whole beat in less than 16 bars. IMO.
One cool thing though, when we're on the subject of 'drifting'.
Which actually has become simpler with more accurate bpm counters, but anyhoo.. Setting the pitch on the track you're bringing in to .01 bpm slower, or faster, depending on what type of groove you're creating, will often give the transition a highly sexy effect, as long as you keep your ear on that drift, more than a 16th off and it'll start sounding horrible. If done correctly it's a really smooth way to either go edgier/in your face, or to a more laidback feeling. |
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| Dykes_on_Jay |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ryan0751
That is clearly a live recorded vinyl mix.
It's next to impossible to play for 2 hours on vinyl and not drift and correct at least one or two times, no matter how good you are.
Vinyl is fun to play on, but it really does require more skill than CDJ's. Quite a bit more, actually. I always laugh at DJ's who are like "oh I know how to beatmatch, vinyl is so easy.". Maybe if you aren't a perfectionist it is... |
speak for yourself. With enough practice and a good pair of direct drives you can keep 3 songs synced with records without breaking too much of a sweat. Its called experience. A guy like Danny Howells for instance can play 14 hours on vynil without making a single mistake. Like a coked up robot. |
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