We've had some discussion recently about a Shed track sounding like something from 1991 and as we all know, there has been a big retro wave in general within the best few years.
So I'd like to go in the opposite direction and ask you what music made recently, you think sounds like 2012 and moves things forward while sounding fresh.
I think that Stroboscopic Artefacts and the associated artists, while certainly not everyone's cup of tea have been doing some very fresh things with their sound design heavy, IDM influenced breakbeat techno sound.
pointPi
FWIW, the tracks in of themselves are pretty decent. I wouldn't call this fresh or hyper-modern, unfortunately. Although, I can't really think of anything else which can be called those things.
Unless System-J has recently found some mind-blowing gem, it seems we've pretty much already explored all of the possible timbres which the human ear can comprehend and find pleasing.
I think what we need is more symphonies. It est, pieces of music which uses a complex, yet comprehensible and memorable system of melodies and harmonies. In short, the next EDM innovator has to be working at Beethoven levels.
Anyway, if I have to post something, this is the freshest thing I can think of right now. Sort of.
Woony
I disagree. I don't think going into symphonies or pleasing sounds is the way to go for electronic music. I mean, the whole point of electronic music is that it's not bound by any limitations of classic musicality or even the boundaries of naturally occuring sound. At this point the technology to make music is ahead of the human creativity - Rod Modell said it best, the technology we have now is a 100 times more advanced, yet the music largely sounds the same. It's kind of a paradox, really.
pointPi
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Originally posted by Woony
I disagree. I don't think going into symphonies or pleasing sounds is the way to go for electronic music. I mean, the whole point of electronic music is that it's not bound by any limitations of classic musicality or even the boundaries of naturally occuring sound. At this point the technology to make music is ahead of the human creativity - Rod Modell said it best, the technology we have now is a 100 times more advanced, yet the music largely sounds the same. It's kind of a paradox, really.
As a hobby musician, I can see what you're thinking. It frustrates me how I have such an abundant selection of plugin synthesizers, but still can't think of anything clever to do with them. It's the limits which push our creativity.
Though I still don't want to resort to atonal polyrhythms, at least not exclusively. :o
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by pointPi
Unless System-J has recently found some mind-blowing gem, it seems we've pretty much already explored all of the possible timbres which the human ear can comprehend and find pleasing.
I don't know why you've mentioned me, because I've no special preference for experimental music. Someone like sljiva or Sand Leaper would be much better placed to name some out-there .
Looney4Clooney
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Originally posted by pointPi
I think what we need is more symphonies. It est, pieces of music which uses a complex, yet comprehensible and memorable system of melodies and harmonies. In short, the next EDM innovator has to be working at Beethoven levels.
already been done. Perhaps not in a tonal idiom but that was because tonality was kinda over played which was what prompted those that were composing in tonal traditions to become more and more chromatic eventually losing that sense of tonality and then just scraping the entire frame work with serialism.
There are plenty of academic composers that do classical type works what ever that means. Using sonata form , with electronics and max msp driven noises based on formulas that somehow are explained by the score. Most people would think it is unbearable.
Where i see things changing is in production aesthetic. Melodies , chords and form have not really changed. The only thing that is different from a track now and 5 years ago is the production trend. And of course the cross fertilization of all genres but the result isn't that different.
InnerReflection
Peter dundov's ideas from the pond album is a pretty interesting mix of stuff that's pretty new AFAIK.
Mixing modern rythmn, with techno structure and 70s ambient has to be something new. I don't know if it doesn't count if it's just mixing things that already exist well or whether you wanted some sortof new direction.
Woony
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
I don't know why you've mentioned me, because I've no special preference for experimental music. Someone like sljiva or Sand Leaper would be much better placed to name some out-there .
It doesn't have to be totally out there experimental stuff, but you in particular criticised that Shed track for sounding like 1991. People are always eager to say "this has already been done 10/15/20 years ago" or "this sounds like 199X" so I was wondering what people think sounds "2012". I realize that it's a lot harder to think of stuff that sounds "fresh" and "forward-pushing" and "now", rather than discrediting music for just being rehashed, but that is why I think it's an interesting topic.
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Where i see things changing is in production aesthetic. Melodies , chords and form have not really changed. The only thing that is different from a track now and 5 years ago is the production trend. And of course the cross fertilization of all genres but the result isn't that different.
Out of interest - what do you think of the production of the tracks I posted?
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Originally posted by InnerReflection
Peter dundov's ideas from the pond album is a pretty interesting mix of stuff that's pretty new AFAIK.
Mixing modern rythmn, with techno structure and 70s ambient has to be something new. I don't know if it doesn't count if it's just mixing things that already exist well or whether you wanted some sortof new direction.
Good call. I'm not the biggest fan of his new album, but while it doesn't sound that out-there it's still pretty fresh stuff.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by Woony
It doesn't have to be totally out there experimental stuff, but you in particular criticised that Shed track for sounding like 1991. People are always eager to say "this has already been done 10/15/20 years ago" or "this sounds like 199X" so I was wondering what people think sounds "2012". I realize that it's a lot harder to think of stuff that sounds "fresh" and "forward-pushing" and "now", rather than discrediting music for just being rehashed, but that is why I think it's an interesting topic.
That track was deliberately the most regressive sounding thing imaginable. All the sounds and timbres were retro (I'm still trying to remember the classic track the synth sound of the lead is taken from) and the whole structure is the most cartoonish dance anthem formula you could think of. It also had about four different musical elements in total. Now, such a track can be fun, but what I was objecting to was the hyperbolic proclamation that it was "track of the year", when it was a simplistic club banger designed for a very straightforward purpose and made in about five minutes.
You don't actually have to think very hard to find music that is "fresh" and "now". Skrillex is now. FlyLo is now. Rustie is now. ASC is now. Martyn, Egyptrixx, Consequence, Spatial, Andy Stott... None of that would have existed even five years ago.
pointPi
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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
You don't actually have to think very hard to find music that is "fresh" and "now". Skrillex is now. FlyLo is now. Rustie is now. ASC is now. Martyn, Egyptrixx, Consequence, Spatial, Andy Stott... None of that would have existed even five years ago.
You mentioned the 'S'-word?! BURN THE HERETIC, I SAY! BURN HIM BEFORE HE LAYS EGGS!
rawbound
For me stuff from producers like Machinedrum, Sepalcure, Lone, BNJMN and Rustie represents fresh and forward pushing music. But that's more like 2011, haven't figured out 2012 yet.
Brennan
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