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Whats your view on September 11
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| TheDemon |
| Well its been 1 year to date since the terrorists attacks. Many Still believe that the USA itself is to blame for what happened. I on the other hand don't really care much but opinions are always welcome. so Plz let me know what you think about the event of 9/11. The Demon has spoke.:crazy: |
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| T-Funk |
they do have themselves to blame but that doesnt mean it should have happened, i wouldnt wish that upon any country
it is exactly one year since the attacks and the US is still doing what everyone hates
but oh well
hopefully it doesnt happen again, and hopefully nothing bad comes of this iraq thing because we are beside the us after all and they will want to bring us into this |
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| dEsidEL |
i'm sure if the US stopped drilling for oil and the middle east and pulled whatever troops they had in Israel all of this would stop happening .. but i know itz not as simple as that..
ah wells what can u do .. they have to defend their way of life..
btw. did any of you know that there were more Afghan civilian deaths in the US attack on Al-Qaida & Taliban than those who died in the Sept 11 attacks .. ?? |
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| Heatscore |
It's good that other people feel the same way...I always feel like I'm the only one that thinks that way although I'm sure a lot of people feel that way but don't talk about
It's too bad that people died...nobody with a heart could be happy about that but the US have too many hands in the cookie jar and it's just a matter of time before radicals like Osama bin laden come into the picture. Exploiting countries for economic gain while trying to police the world doesn't work and never will. Americans (and to a lesser extent Canadians) need to learn about other countries and cultures and stop turning to guns and violence as a solution. However, violence is written in to their culture (the 2nd amendment) and I don't see it changing anytime soon.
just my two cents...
Pretty deep for 12:29 AM... ;) |
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| mariachickita |
I think it was a terrible terrible thing, nontheless, i think it caught americans by surprise..... i feel sad for all those in morning who lost a friend or family member...... (especially those Canadians) BUT, look at the middle east and other countries that have been under attack and are still today.... people are killed EVERY day because of political unrest and land disputs and what not... and america usually has a part in it in some way or another.....i think because it was so close to home, that people in america realized what really happens when a country fights with another.......they experienced the cruel reality that happens on the otherside.....
i watched the news the other day and this man was saying that USA is always the country known to fight a war, but Canada is always the country the peacekeeps..... its true, when you go to another country in another continent, sometimes it matters (in a bad way) if your american or not......
people may dispute with this opinion, but im interested to see what other people think.....btw i dont hate USA, my dad works there, but i can't stand when canadians are made fun of:mad: |
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| Jazz |
so demon, if you don't really care much, then why are you asking? just wondering...
i'm guessing what influenced this question was the recent poll done asking canadians the same question, "is the US partly to blame for 9/11?"... and the response was about 65% yes if i remember correctly... very interesting, and somewhat surprising... but i have the feeling if you pushed any deeper, and asked them specifically why the US is to blame, they wouldn't have much to say... at least that's what i've found in most cases... most people are pretty clueless when it comes to understanding exactly what the US has done in the past, and what they're doing now... they have a general idea that the US is influencing many things around the world for their own benefit, but that's about it... being in the dark about this is dangerous to us as canadians, considering the huge influence that the US has over us, both economically and socially...
the US is the worlds lone superpower, both militarily and economically, and they are a nation driven by big business... to keep this huge capitalist empire rolling along, and alone as the worlds top power, they do whatever is necessary... supporting corrupt governments, providing illegal arms, state sponsored terrorism, overthrowing legitimate governments, killing innocent civilians, whatever it takes, and whatever is in their best interest. examples are there for all to see, vietnam/cambodia, east timor, chile, nicuragua, sudan, i could go on... but most don't look... well, some canadians look, most americans don't... because their government doesn't want them to look, and they do everything they can to stop them from doing so... blinding them with this nationalism, patriotism, that america is great, love your country, it's the best country in the world, you're either with us or against us, blah blah blah...
this has been going on for many years now, and america never encountered any real problem with this foreign policy... but why would they, they are the ultimate power in this world... that was until 09/11... when they ran into something they hadn't planned for - crazy, extremist islamists willing to blow themselves up... so why exactly did they do it? ... well, you can buy the Bush version if you want - "they hate our freedoms, they hate our way of life" and all the rest of it... sorry, it doesn't fly... sure, they disagree with how we live in the western world - they don't like it, but they just believe that we're all going to hell for the way we live and not believing in Islam... no reason for them to start blowing themselves up for something we're going to be punished for anyway! and if the bush reasoning was true then why weren't they crashing planes into sweden? or france? or canada even? because it has nothing to do with "our freedoms, our way of life" - it has everything to do with US foreign policy in the mid-east...
Israel/Palestine situation, sure that's part of the reason behind the attacks - but in all truth osama uses this cause mainly to help him gain more support in the region... his real gripe is with saudia arabia, and the influence that the US gov holds on that country for economic and strategic reasons... the fact that the US has a military base in saudia arabia, his home country, is a huge annoyance to osama, he views it as sacrilegious... on a larger scale he sees the increased US presence and influence in the region as a threat to Islam as a whole...
the fact that the US government refuses to do any type of reflection or make any attempt to understand and address the root causes of the 9/11 attacks is foolish, but not surprising... they are not only continuing the same mid-east policy, but actually intensifying their presence in the region (soon to attack iraq), all this does is heighten the anti-US sentiment in the mid-east (which is already extremely high), create more extremists and drive more people to join organizations like al-quaeda... which will ultimately lead to more terrorist attacks against the US...
with all that said, i must say that 9/11 is a sad day... the murder of innocent lives is never justified, by any person, any group, or any government. only once people wake up to this consciousness will there be a real change in the world. |
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| quddha |
| Very good and informative post Jazz! :D |
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| mariachickita |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jazz
the fact that the US government refuses to do any type of reflection or make any attempt to understand and address the root causes of the 9/11 attacks is foolish, but not surprising... they are not only continuing the same mid-east policy, but actually intensifying their presence in the region (soon to attack iraq), all this does is heighten the anti-US sentiment in the mid-east (which is already extremely high), create more extremists and drive more people to join organizations like al-quaeda... which will ultimately lead to more terrorist attacks against the US...
with all that said, i must say that 9/11 is a sad day... the murder of innocent lives is never justified, by any person, any group, or any government. only once people wake up to this consciousness will there be a real change in the world. |
very true |
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| Durafei |
| On the other hand, if it wasn't for US presence in Middle East, Islam and Arabs would be all the world now. There would certainly be no Israel right now. If you give enough power to Saddam Husein, he will be the next Hitler. That's what US is afraid of. Stop pressure on Iraq, and next thing you know, Iraq will have a nuclear bomb - they are pretty close to building one already. Now if Iraq has a nuclear bomb - God, I'm afraid to think what's gonna happen. :conf: |
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| hansolo |
Oh the joys of people hiding behind the truth. If the US was not the big bully, then who will be, The Iraqi's, The Saudi's, The Palestinian's? Some always has to play that role, and i would rather it be someone who stands for freedom of choice (even if its jaded), a lot more than someone who stands for ZERO freedom of anything.
And peacekeeping, Do you think peacekeeping will work with people who are willing to kill themselves for their cause, yeah that sounds like it would work.
Be happy the US is doing what it is doing right now, cause I promise you that Al Queda and the harldine muslims dont give a if your american or canadian. Once the UN lets Iraq build there nuclear bomb and up the US, the only thing Canada is going to do is suck on Saddam ass, cause we wont be able to back the USA.
Some americans annoy me, but the bottom line is George Bush is a whole lot more normal than Saddam Hussein and he is not into erasing the world of jewish people. So I go with Bush, and dont think if the US pulled out of the middle east, that things would be fine, cause Saddams is after america and everything it stands for. Everything in the US is wrong in the eyes of muslims in the middle east.
I wonder if your allowed to listen to trance in Iraq? Or when the Taliban had control of afghanistan, i bet there were parties all day long. Nope, they were living under the control of someone else's beliefs, which is exactly what Bin laden and Hussein want. Thats why im sure they have had a couple of scotches together in their scheme to up the world. |
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| trancearmada |
| what kind of makes me ticked of is that one year prior to the world trade center tragedy there have been terorist bominbings of appartment buildings in Moscow, Russia. It was on the news once but if my memory serves me right at least 5000 people died in those bombings. When the 911 had a total of around 3000 faitalities. Do you still hear about those bombings in Moscow? NO, not even a single god damn mention of that. I mean I am Canadian, but my background is Russian but what pisses me off is that there is so much publicity about the 911 tragedy. Yet when something else of even bigger magnitued happenes somewhere else in the world US does not even bother to broadcasted on the news the first time. Why should they give a . It's like they are the center of the universe! |
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| brunette |
I don't mean to be mean.. but America deserves to be hurt.
Of course, I don't think that civilians should ever pay for the government's actions.. but they, unfortunately, always do.
It is one of the most effective ways to weaken a country.
And Americans are firm believers of that: Hiroshima & Nagasaki, Vietnam, Iraq & Iran.................
I will never forget the time they bombed Yugoslavia (1999).. I wasn't there, but I remember talking on the phone with a friend of mine, hearing sirens, airplanes and bombs being dropped in the backgound.. and then the phone lines being cut....
They have the nerve to invade every country on the map and mess it up and then not expect anyone to hit them with revenge? I hate their guts, I hate their influence, I hate their control and the use of it. |
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