Originally posted by TheTranceAddic
You really do turn into an yourself when you convert yourself like some of the picky people in this forum. I nearly went into that region but stopped myself.
Instead, I tried to see the positive side, instead of bitching about the ty music.
Then this..
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Originally posted by TheTranceAddic
Christopher Lawrence is one big arrogant douche. His Mr.& Mrs Smith project sucksass. He's a Mr. I know trance wannabie...Don't give a about his views but he's a cocky mother ******. Dude bashes swedish house mafia but a few months ago he remixed LMFAO...Hypocrite .
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Rodri Santos
just listened to christopher lawrence's lmfao remix, what a piece of utter , he tried to made something in between his progpsy and the commercial electro and the result is a track that anyone could do in less than a year of training.
ziptnf
Who cares? Listen to what you like and don't worry about what "scene" you're in.
Evolve140
I like psybreaks when I'm really ed up and partying.
Bierheld
although I always frown when it comes to entire genre's based on a single gimmick, I will admit that at the right occasion it really is partying perfection.
InnerReflection
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Originally posted by Bierheld
although I always frown when it comes to entire genre's based on a single gimmick, I will admit that at the right occasion it really is partying perfection.
Oh, and which gimmick might that be?
You guys should check out the album "no more x" by "loud". It's great progpsy, and that track has an interesting video clip+the original is 7 minutes full length.
Bierheld
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Originally posted by InnerReflection
Oh, and which gimmick might that be?
Well, I'm sorry to have puzzled you my good sir, allow me to elaborate. :rolleyes:
The main gimmick consists of, what I can only describe as a warped and tribalistic, oriental influenced sound palette derived from ye old goa. Combined with coining the ambiguous term "psychedelic", even though it's no more or less psychedelic then any other form of music. Which as a whole sets a precedence that exceeds the actual musical content. Since there are other genre's that operate in the same domain of dark atmospheres that have a far more varied and interesting choice of soundscapes and rhythmic structures, like industrial for instance.
Although I can understand that if you're overly imbued with the genre a simple change like swapping out the rubbery baselines can sound like an enormous musical invention.
- Hence the term gimmick.
Now it's worth noting here that I'm not trying to bash the genre, as I said I enjoy a good party with it. I liked the track you posted too, and a lot of my friends have a fondness for the genre as well. Or at least the ones that grew up in the nineties, which is understandable since it fits in perfectly with the whole new age vibe that was floating around back then.
RebeL9
If I would narrow down the entire psytrance genre to three of the most famous labels I would go for Twisted Records, Flying Rhino and Dragonfly Records. These three labels defined the whole genre more than anyone else.
Twisted with Simon Posford, a music prodigy which pioneered the whole scene with his Hallucinogen sound. Also you simply can't go wrong with the other inhouse names such as Shpongle, Ott, Younger Brothers and Prometheus.
Dragonfly with Martin Glover aka Youth. Amazing names here such as Seb Taylor aka Shakta, Pleidians and UX.
Flying Rhino records with James Monroe. You simply can't go wrong with names such as Green Nuns of the revolution, Darshan, Planet BEN, Blue Planet Corporation and Technosommy.
Behold!
rokit
I agree with the trance scene goin a bit candy shop in areas, there's sum really brilliant darker psy stuff out 2 i play in my darker dj sets
InnerReflection
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Originally posted by Bierheld
Well, I'm sorry to have puzzled you my good sir, allow me to elaborate. :rolleyes:
The main gimmick consists of, what I can only describe as a warped and tribalistic, oriental influenced sound palette derived from ye old goa. Combined with coining the ambiguous term "psychedelic", even though it's no more or less psychedelic then any other form of music. Which as a whole sets a precedence that exceeds the actual musical content. Since there are other genre's that operate in the same domain of dark atmospheres that have a far more varied and interesting choice of soundscapes and rhythmic structures, like industrial for instance.
Although I can understand that if you're overly imbued with the genre a simple change like swapping out the rubbery baselines can sound like an enormous musical invention.
- Hence the term gimmick.
Now it's worth noting here that I'm not trying to bash the genre, as I said I enjoy a good party with it. I liked the track you posted too, and a lot of my friends have a fondness for the genre as well. Or at least the ones that grew up in the nineties, which is understandable since it fits in perfectly with the whole new age vibe that was floating around back then.
Not that I'm that annoyed or anything but:
I fail to see how describing the overall moods a genre tends to have makes that a gimmick of the genre. If that's the case then house/disco is all gimmicky because lots of it attempts to be "funky". Most certainly the different moods displayed in psy is more varied then mainstream trance by far, and possibly even more so than techno.
As for what's psychedelic, well first off there's no real concise meaning of what psychedelic music is, apart from that it sounds good on acid, and psytrance is far far more tailored to sound good on acid than industrial is. From the many many tracks that have a darker mood but with occasional happy vibes (to create the feeling of the world is crazy/dark but beautiful) to the fact that the bassline is generally somewhat steady but other elements are changing it's highly like that.
If we're talking about a thought provoking sortof mood... well that's subjective. More importantly... it sounds a lot like the arguments I had when I was 15/16 (only 3-4 years ago for me) about people who said that electronic music had no emotion because when they listened to it it had no emotion, but metal did. Ofcourse the fact that for me at the time it was the other way around was to them irrelevent. Regardless... that sortof debate does my head in and if I have to have it in my life ever again I'm going to kill myself.
ALSO, in terms of "varied moods" and industrial... umm, have you been to any goth clubs lately? There is way way more variety in psy than there is in the average ebm/industrial track. If you're comparing underground industrial to generic full on psy... well that's not a fair comparison.
As for the full on baseline, having the same bassline for the entire night (but not the exact same, some tracks have heavier basses/varied kickdrums) can be a hypnotic/meditative experience. It's a little bit more complicated than simply producers being lazy. Also, people listen to psy to dance or for the moods. It's not the same as listening to house music that's "interesting". You can't get the exact same mood with a different bassline, so if someone wants to write a track or only tracks that go "dun uhh uhh uhh""or DUH UHHH" then it just wouldn't be the same mood with a different bassline.
Although certainly, I'll pay the term gimmick for the full on bass, it makes a lot of sense to call it that at least.
As I've said to a few people before, just because I write a lot in an argument/discussion doesn't necassarily mean I'm mad or care a lot about the topic. However hopefully stuff I've written allows people to understand the mentality of the music more/is generally interesting to read.
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Btw, does anyone have dj eccentric's psycho therapy, or know how to contact him? His username on here is s3nate. That mix is ing great, and way better than anything by j00f.
SYSTEM-J
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Originally posted by InnerReflection
As for the full on baseline, having the same bassline for the entire night (but not the exact same, some tracks have heavier basses/varied kickdrums) can be a hypnotic/meditative experience.
Or it can be extremely boring. And usually is.
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