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That girl that committed suicide cause of being bullied... (pg. 3)
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| pointPi |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Stop giving pity to a dead girl. Give it to the ones who deserve it. |
My first impression on that post was "Oh, it's one those guys. Those who say that women only get raped because they dress slutty. No, it's us horny dudes who push them to dress and behave slutty. We are the ones who just don't know when they want it." But then I kept on reading.
This person is right; sorrowing the dead won't make our world a better place. Our emotions won't bring anyone back to life.
There's a reason so many celebrities fall victims to drug problems. Us mortals make fun of them while they're still at it, but once they've been harvested, we mourn them. We never seek to care those who are still fighting.
So yeah, this shouldn't have gotten the media attention it had. We need more of those uplifting stories. Of those who shrug of the insults and defeat their potential depressions. This is what all that vocal trance should be about. |
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| Swamper |
| quote: | Originally posted by pointPi
We never seek to care those who are still fighting.
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I think a big part of the problem is that sometimes it is hard to tell who is fighting. I had my fair share of bullying experiences when younger but it wasn't anything extreme however the damage can still stick with you for years.
With this girl it is particularly disturbing because it makes me think about how much of this goes on *without* the accompanying youtube video? On the flip side of that coin, growing up in the Youtube generation also means having potentially embarrassing situations recorded on someone's phone/etc. I imagine blackmail-worthy-content has gone up 100000000% in the past few years. *shudder* |
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| Igaryok |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
On the flip side of that coin, growing up in the Youtube generation also means having potentially embarrassing situations recorded on someone's phone/etc. I imagine blackmail-worthy-content has gone up 100000000% in the past few years. *shudder* |
Agreed. I was just thinking about this the other day. It would be so ty to be a kid today, everyone potentially watching/recording your every step. A girl I know posted this on Facebook the other day.
"Just logged into my daughter's schools classroom cam, there she is, learning :)"
How ed up is that? |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
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I'm honestly not sure if you're posting this to point out its absurdities or if you actually agree with it. It reads more like a rationalization that 1) shifts the focus away from the fact that she was bullied and 2) attempts to explain away her misery as that which was self-created (blames the victim). In short, I'm reading it as a clever but cruelly indifferent distraction; regardless of the motivation for the individual writing it.
Had she not killed herself, her bullying may never have been exposed. The accusation of hypocrisy, in light of that distinct possibility, is absurd and callous. If anything, emotional responses to events like this may attract and motivate bullied people to come forward before they decide to take their own lives.
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
I think a big part of the problem is that sometimes it is hard to tell who is fighting. |
It seems that the tendency is to keep it a secret. Part of the dynamic of bullying is the humiliation felt by the victim. Why would he or she risk further exposure by behaving in a way which attracts attention? |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by zGoogleman
Poor poor you. |
Haha I probably deserved amirite |
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| kamil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Swamper
Maybe they did kill themselves and you just never found out about it? Bullying is horrible and something that is difficult to control in this day and age... I feel for kids that are cyber bullied - you can't escape that .
At least in the old days it was only during school that was the problem |
Or maybe it was never an issue until the media decided to go bat crazy over and exaggerate it?
I don't believe any of this bullying crap to be as bad as its made out to be. |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Bullying is consistent, repeated harassment of an individual in a specific environment...
| quote: | | Originally posted by Jon_Snow |
Sound about right?
But it's not a single isolated attack on someone. 'I was once bullied' is an automatically untrue statement. It's very possible this girl had a slew of other problems in her home life as well, as drinking bleach is obviously not a common response to adversity. Perhaps she had emotional ailments merely exasperated by the torment she faced, or perhaps such ailments are all too often caused by how others treat you; we'll never know for sure, in this case.
Regardless, didn't some individuals (adults, even?) obtain nude photos of this 15 year old and spread them around to attack her? That's much more than bullying and harassment, it's quite a serious crime and they should be tracked down for disseminating child pornography. |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
It seems that the tendency is to keep it a secret. Part of the dynamic of bullying is the humiliation felt by the victim. Why would he or she risk further exposure by behaving in a way which attracts attention? |
Wait... Reword that for a lamen, it didn't quite seem to calculate correct the first time I read it.
Because she is 15 and horny and a zit-faced teenager is why she would continue a cycle of behavior that attracts negative attention. Not to mention the family background of said victim could ever help us to peer more into her issues. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Desiderata
Wait... Reword that for a lamen, it didn't quite seem to calculate correct the first time I read it.
Because she is 15 and horny and a zit-faced teenager is why she would continue a cycle of behavior that attracts negative attention. Not to mention the family background of said victim could ever help us to peer more into her issues. |
Firstly, I don't want to be trying to pass myself off as an expert (opposing a layman), by any stretch. These are suppositions I'm making based on my experience in addition to a number of books and articles I've read. There ends my credentials to be speaking with authority on this matter.
What I'm saying is that, with rare exception, someone who is being bullied doesn't want to exacerbate the problem by exposing it. When there is family dysfunction involved, the experience of being bullied further isolates the victim. If he or she is being abused at home and at school... well, that's their entire world.
Rhetorically, what I'm asking is why someone would expand the world of abuse they inhabit, by asking for more attention, when the attention they receive is so adverse? The thought, by the victim, to reach out for help is contradicted by the victim's own imagination that, to ask for help, is to only invite more abuse. |
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| zGoogleman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
Bullying is consistent, repeated harassment of an individual in a specific environment...
Sound about right?
But it's not a single isolated attack on someone. 'I was once bullied' is an automatically untrue statement. It's very possible this girl had a slew of other problems in her home life as well, as drinking bleach is obviously not a common response to adversity. Perhaps she had emotional ailments merely exasperated by the torment she faced, or perhaps such ailments are all too often caused by how others treat you; we'll never know for sure, in this case.
Regardless, didn't some individuals (adults, even?) obtain nude photos of this 15 year old and spread them around to attack her? That's much more than bullying and harassment, it's quite a serious crime and they should be tracked down for disseminating child pornography. |
I'm still searching for those pictures. If anybody knows where I can get a copy please post them in this thread.
But anyways, you suck child-killer. |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by EddieZilker
Firstly, I don't want to be trying to pass myself off as an expert (opposing a layman), by any stretch. These are suppositions I'm making based on my experience in addition to a number of books and articles I've read. There ends my credentials to be speaking with authority on this matter.
What I'm saying is that, with rare exception, someone who is being bullied doesn't want to exacerbate the problem by exposing it. When there is family dysfunction involved, the experience of being bullied further isolates the victim. If he or she is being abused at home and at school... well, that's their entire world.
Rhetorically, what I'm asking is why someone would expand the world of abuse they inhabit, by asking for more attention, when the attention they receive is so adverse? The thought, by the victim, to reach out for help is contradicted by the victim's own imagination that, to ask for help, is to only invite more abuse. |
She probably felt that was the only attention she was worthy of. Coming from a mentally ill background, you create this learned behavior of not knowing anything else. I respect your ability to not railroad me on the issue and admit you are in the same wtf boat about why someone would do this or not. |
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| EddieZilker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Desiderata
...admit you are in the same wtf boat about why someone would do this or not. |
I don't know that I understand it, perfectly, but how I understand its occurrence, in no way, surprises me that it occurs. |
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