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Jack Moss - Time & Space [Mixtape] (pg. 2)
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| enydo |
| oh hi there new Jackmix |
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| paulversuspaul |
| Listening now. Cool concept, tracklist looks real nice. |
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| paulversuspaul |
| listened to it yesterday. Loved it actually. of the sets of yours ive heard this is easily my favorite. thought the transitions were smooth and the entire set flowed emotionally and had a certain kind of texture and sound even though the tracks were from different genres. great sleeping music, i mean that as a compliment as i love listening to certain mixes as i fall asleep. my only real complaint is that the prog section was a bit of a letdown compared to rest. Strange because i love prog. Maybe prog just doesnt fit into the whole space theme. I dont know. But really good mix. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Glad you enjoyed it. Not much love for the prog round these parts. Again, I can understand why, but I also think the bombast of that section takes the mix up to an apex, which is important when it comes to the subsequent descent into ambient eeriness. |
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| Bierheld |
After listening to it again, I have a few more comments:
Firstly the progressive section doesn't strike me as being out of place, even though I'm usually the first to have an allergic reaction when it comes to the stuff. This is firstly because the mix-in was well executed, the intro of the track that played at around the 26 minute mark did well in bridging the more frantic scatterbreaks that came before, which also helped in breaking up the tempo continuity. And secondly because it came at the right time. However, In doing this the set showed some clear signs towards taking a more traditional "inverse pyramid" approach to set flow. Were after a fresh and up-tempo start it takes a plunge towards the deep end at around the half hour mark, after which it's supposed to climb back up again.
This one really didn't, there were moments that could have been climactic in a different context but they didn't really come off that way here. It felt a bit stagnant.
I didn't really care about this at first because it felt like it was supposed to be more of a relaxing experience rather then a provocative one, but apparently I was wrong.
I did mention it felt like it could have gone on for much longer, which also means it didn't feel like you extracted everything you could have gotten from it.
If it had gone boom somewhere in the second half it might have been a bit more memorable, and it would also have helped the final ambient comedown section which to me felt like it came too soon.
And by boom I don't necessarily mean hard fast and clubby. But a bit less on the pretty melodics and a bit more on the loudness front wouldn't have hurt.
Even so it is still a vastly enjoyable listening experience, but that's what I got on the matter. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
I'm getting confused about what people are actually labelling the "prog" here. Are we really classifying The Timewriter and Francois K as "progressive"? As I see it, only two tracks are prog - Alex Rize and J00F.
| quote: | Originally posted by Bierheld
However, In doing this the set showed some clear signs towards taking a more traditional "inverse pyramid" approach to set flow. Were after a fresh and up-tempo start it takes a plunge towards the deep end at around the half hour mark, after which it's supposed to climb back up again. |
I don't really understand this at all. This set doesn't have an up-tempo start at all, and I don't think it gets deeper in the mid-section. Quite the opposite. |
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| paulversuspaul |
| I was just referring to those two tracks. For some reason it felt out place in the context of the theme, though the mixing was quite good. Just felt like rave broke out suddenly when i was in the mood for trippy space music. It also could be personal bias and prejudice as i really do associate prog with going out and dancing etc as for nearly 10 years that was all i basically went out and saw while i enjoyed other genres at home. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Yeah, I understand if we're just referring to those two tracks, because as I said previously they're the most obviously "clubby" moments, albeit with a couple of caveats: I think they're both pretty spacey tracks anyway, and both are 125bpm and hardly resplendent with dancefloor energy. And as I said, the intention was to peak out the set at that point. |
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| paulversuspaul |
| No i totally get what you were going after and like i said the transitions did work. Its just personal preferences and prejudices and even those lower bpm tracks i just associate way too much with dancing or a club than headphones at home etc. |
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| Bierheld |
My comment is only loosely related to PVP's one, I just took a guess at what he meant by 'prog section' and apparently I was wrong. It's not important.
My use of the term is more me lazily placing the stream of mid-tempo melodic dance music that starts off around the half hour mark under one umbrella.
Thing is, to me at least. Is that this mix after the ambient start goes of to a jungly section, which then gets replaced by house beats after about half an hour. Whether the actual tempo changed or not, you're still working with a lot less in terms of bass-drum hits, and it feels tamer because of it. A climax is the obvious highlight of the entire mix, and that's harder to do when you drop a lot of the rhythmic intensity you had earlier on in the set.
The track at around 55 minutes, although excellent, doesn't feel like a climax. But you do get comedown ambient after it. It felt a bit like you were trying to pull this mix towards your mixing comfort zone (you do have a history of executing proggy climaxes) without really having the time and perquisites to set it up properly.
I may well have gotten it all wrong in the few listen I've given it so far. But for now it's my impression anyway. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
There is a lot more to energy levels and indeed tempo than drum hits per square inch. All of the drum 'n bass I play here is effectively in half-time, the energy levels are really low. I think it's self-evident which section of this mix would generate more energy on a dancefloor.
Although you are clearly no fool and you think everything through carefully, I am sometimes baffled by how left-of-field your interpretations are of things everyone else seems to find pretty apparent. |
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| Bierheld |
Different frame of reference I guess, my views aren't that alien when compared to those of my local social circles.
I just look at the mix as is and what fills dancefloors is not relevant to this context. To me even the tamest of jungle beats can feel more energetic then house beats. |
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