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what are biggest mistakes beginning producers make? (pg. 6)
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
what percentage would the cello account for the intellectual weight of his work ?
Sound creation is one of the few things EDM is adding so it is somewhat important for me that an artist is someone that has their own sound. |
You are pigeon holing Edm as the genre where sounds should be made by artists, what about other genres. Why the double standard?
If an Edm artist started using elephant noises in his songs and it worked, and the song was well produced, there's really nothing wrong with it. This can be applied with all songs. A sound is a sound at the end of the day, it's how you use it that makes it creative.
If sound design was as valued as the creation of a song, we would see many famous preset designers headlining parties.. But that's not the reality. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| like i said, your standard is not my standard. |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
like i said, your standard is not my standard. |
There's the elitist attitude I was talkin about |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| never said you were not entitled to your standard. And yes, i suppose you could say I favour better made music. That fits the criteria of elitism. Thank god there are enough musicians that also have an aesthetic that is better , more refined and more valuable as art. Elitism is only bad when used to prevent or dissuade others in sharing something you love. |
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| wayfinder |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
never said you were not entitled to your standard. And yes, i suppose you could say I favour better made music. That fits the criteria of elitism. Thank god there are enough musicians that also have an aesthetic that is better , more refined and more valuable as art. Elitism is only bad when used to prevent or dissuade others in sharing something you love. |
you mean like when you dissuade people from posting by creating this persona that they can never know won't on them for speaking their mind or sharing their art? cause for some reason i think it'll suddenly be "well then they should grow up, I'm always right, it's not even art they're so " and not "you're right, i'm stifling discussion in the whole forum by being overly aggressive wherever I go". |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
the focus and skill in classical music was elsewhere. In dance, the only thing you are adding to the musical canon is production. |
In which genres are artists still able to add melodies to the musical canon? Or is it a case of "every melody has been made, don't use melodies"? For someone who wants to compose melodies, which genre is acceptable to work in? |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by wayfinder
you mean like when you dissuade people from posting by creating this persona that they can never know won't on them for speaking their mind or sharing their art? cause for some reason i think it'll suddenly be "well then they should grow up, I'm always right, it's not even art they're so " and not "you're right, i'm stifling discussion in the whole forum by being overly aggressive wherever I go". |
i understand this little crusade of yours started right after I commented on a few of your posts which probably involved you saying something inaccurate and me fixing your gaff. Rather pathetic and childish. When you take your ball home, tell your mom I say hi and that the rash that seems to have taken residency in her vagina wasn't from me. |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
, which genre is acceptable to work in? |
Are you really asking for permission ? Dude what ever the you want to do.
To answer your question, you would have to use microtonal tuning, you would have to not use western tradition and the end result will sound so foreign that most will think it is rather ty.
But if you are going to stick to western tonality, just accept that its been done. I don't see the problem. If you find it interesting, then who cares. |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Are you really asking for permission ? Dude what ever the you want to do.
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No, not asking for permission. Just pointing out that your "the only thing about dance music is production" opinion is just that - an opinion. If that opinion works for you, great, but many people don't share it.
But as you say, you're welcome to your opinion! |
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| Looney4Clooney |
it is an opinion shared by the greatest composers of all time. Schoenberg and all the modernists didn't ditch tonality because it was hard, they realized there was nowhere to go. Jazz also pretty much fizzled in the late 60s.
After that, the only thing that has been changing is aesthetic. Why do you think every single track lately is some reboot ? Because there is no point. Its been done. Just do the original with a twist.
Those that don't know music history, theory and whose vocabulary of music comprises 10 years are those that think those melodies they are doing are fresh.
I also never said melody doesn't count. I said that what is changing in music is not melody related. Good art is new art and what is new in music is production. I never said it wasn't possible, but you aren't going to do it using western tonality. |
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| wayfinder |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
i understand this little crusade of yours started right after I commented on a few of your posts which probably involved you saying something inaccurate and me fixing your gaff. Rather pathetic and childish. When you take your ball home, tell your mom I say hi and that the rash that seems to have taken residency in her vagina wasn't from me. |
not at all, that's not the pattern by which i operate and i don't think you've corrected me anything important yet. i just think you're a pompous head who lies at least 50% of the time and trolls the other 50, and you're making this board worse with your presence, real knowledge or not. take your fake degrees and your fake asperger and off, make all of our lives better. |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
I also never said melody doesn't count. I said that what is changing in music is not melody related. Good art is new art and what is new in music is production. I never said it wasn't possible, but you aren't going to do it using western tonality. |
Okay, fine. I guess I'm trying to understand why you're singling out EDM - following your logic, what is any genre these days "adding to the musical canon" besides "production"?
In any case, my point is that whether or not the only thing being added is production, a lot of listeners don't care about it. For me, if a song doesn't have a strong melody, it can be as original and creative as it wants, production-wise, and it's not going to mean a thing. On the other hand, if it's just a guy with an acoustic guitar, same "production" as has been heard a billion times, but playing a great melody - yeah, I'd much rather spend my time listening to that.
And that's fine - we all like what we like. Some people like certain sports, some people like certain foods, some people like new production techniques. Each to their own. |
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