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| kotsy |
| quote: | Originally posted by HappyDude72
I wouldn't call it a dance since most people just stand there fist pumping the DJs |
Don't forget, people bought tickets for seats :haha: |
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| Dinoz2013 |
As Commercial as this was, as Electronica Fans we should be happy and excited that SHM can draw back to back 30 000 Crowds. I mean, regardless if the people listening are new to the genre, why is it a bad thing that they LIKE THE MUSIC.
I know all of us started out listening to mainstream (even 90's) Dance stuff, and thinking it was the before we went deeper.
I feel sorry for the people who all they can do is hate on people for liking something. Live your own Life and be Happy for Happiness... |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dinoz2013
As Commercial as this was, as Electronica Fans we should be happy and excited that SHM can draw back to back 30 000 Crowds. I mean, regardless if the people listening are new to the genre, why is it a bad thing that they LIKE THE MUSIC.
I know all of us started out listening to mainstream (even 90's) Dance stuff, and thinking it was the before we went deeper.
I feel sorry for the people who all they can do is hate on people for liking something. Live your own Life and be Happy for Happiness... |
well it's a problem when the quality of product keeps getting crappier to appeal to the mass.
sad thing when quality producers have to make garbage tracks in order to stay marketable for gigs
call me a hater, but i used to think it's a good thing that more people are enjoying EDM, but it's not a good thing when 'underground' DJ/producers are keep getting pushed out (esp in large festivals/famous clubs) for junk like Nicky Romero or Calvin Harris and such |
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| Forever Forward |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dinoz2013
As Commercial as this was, as Electronica Fans we should be happy and excited that SHM can draw back to back 30 000 Crowds. I mean, regardless if the people listening are new to the genre, why is it a bad thing that they LIKE THE MUSIC.
I know all of us started out listening to mainstream (even 90's) Dance stuff, and thinking it was the before we went deeper.
I feel sorry for the people who all they can do is hate on people for liking something. Live your own Life and be Happy for Happiness... |
I celebrate happiness and it's fine if somebody wants to enjoy Swedish House Mafia. But , SHM has sucked fat dick for a number of years now, and I wish everyone realized that. Or, it'd be great if SHM could go back to productions like Supermode's Tell Me Why and perhaps lead their new listeners down a more promising rabbit hole.
But then again, I'm sure many of you think Above & Beyond sucks, and I love them. |
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| ItalianPoiSon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Forever Forward
Yeah, I consider every party I go to with electronic music a rave. Whether it's underground and illegal, at a giant licensed establishment, or even just with an intimate group of friends at a cottage, I consider it raving if there's an EDM DJ.
To illustrate, I wouldn't consider going to see an underground rock performance a rave. For me, it's just the music that dictates whether or not it's a rave. |
well i wouldnt consider every party the dance music a rave, but its used for the lack of a better term...
the music, the open space, and the other thing i mentioned determines if its rave-esque lol |
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| Cribby |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
call me a hater, but i used to think it's a good thing that more people are enjoying EDM, but it's not a good thing when 'underground' DJ/producers are keep getting pushed out (esp in large festivals/famous clubs) for junk like Nicky Romero or Calvin Harris and such |
This. :( |
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| ItalianPoiSon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Forever Forward
Or, it'd be great if SHM could go back to productions like Supermode's Tell Me Why |
as much as i like this track, i consider it more mainstream then lets say maybe greyhound...
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
well it's a problem when the quality of product keeps getting crappier to appeal to the mass.
sad thing when quality producers have to make garbage tracks in order to stay marketable for gigs
call me a hater, but i used to think it's a good thing that more people are enjoying EDM, but it's not a good thing when 'underground' DJ/producers are keep getting pushed out (esp in large festivals/famous clubs) for junk like Nicky Romero or Calvin Harris and such |
if they really are a quality producer then there tracks should sell on there own with out them having to "sell out"... i guess what im trying to say is musicians wanna "sell out" they wanna be superstars and make millions of dollars... only a fraction of musicians/actors/any body in the arts are actual "artists"... |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by ItalianPoiSon
if they really are a quality producer then there tracks should sell on there own with out them having to "sell out"... i guess what im trying to say is musicians wanna "sell out" they wanna be superstars and make millions of dollars... only a fraction of musicians/actors/any body in the arts are actual "artists"... |
I'm a self professed underground hipster EDM snob so take my opinion for what it's worth lol
I'm going to use trance as the example, but this is happening to many other genres too, esp house. And there are exceptions, but this seems to be the trend I'm seeing.
Talent is no longer the primary factor in whether you get gigs or not. Popularity is. The truth is, many promoters do not care about the music but is looking to fill nights with customers to make money. And even if the promoters do care about music, a lot are forced to book the popular DJ Mag 100 names so that they don't go bankrupt, esp ones with big clubs to fill. This is true esp for new promoters without established clientele that they can rely to consistently fill their nights and they can program their events with 'quality' DJs.
The new generation of 19-25 clubbers mostly come from mainstream/top 40 who 'got into' trance and/or house by listening couple of popular commercial tracks on the radio. My perception is that they are 'trendy' and into the the 'latest thing'. There is very little sense of loyalty and consistent support for a promoter or a club.
So, the promoters are looking for the latest name. And the DJs are looking to be the latest name too, in order to get bookings and make a living. I don't think many would argue that Airwave is one of most talented producers out there, but I hardly see him in any major festivals or events. Why is that?
It's not because he sucks. But because he wasn't able to stay relevant in today's trance scene. Anyone remember Guy Ornadel? One of best trance DJs out of UK, but you won't see him nowadays except some nights in UK. Yet guys like Cosmic Gate are getting bookings still. But they had to change their sound so dramatically that they no longer are the DJ/producers that they used to be. (Yes, I'm looking at you, Sander van Doorn)
Even the established DJs aren't safe. Back in early 2000s, you would have never thought Oakenfold would be irrelevant in trance scene. Now Oakey has many problems that led to his downfall, but once thought as one of the greatest trance DJs ever is now hardly relevant. And this is a lesson to many of the top established DJs today. You must stay popular at all cost, or else you'll suffer Oakey's fate.
So, Armin will keep pumping any vocal trance that the crowd demands he plays. It's gotten to the point that he no longer controls what he plays. Anyone who follows Armin, even his critics know that Armin is a fantastic producer. I listen to his French/funky house tracks and marvel at how talent he is. But he's stuck in a limbo, having to cater to what the majority of his 'fans' demand, not necessarily what he wants to play. Go to an Armin gig where he plays longer than 4 hrs and you will hear more of what he'd like to play.
Mass appeal is the key to popularity. And that is no longer dictated by the quality of music, but the perceived popularity. And people think popularity equals good, when this is not true in many cases. |
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| jchung52 |
| Wonder how much the tracklist varied from day 1 and day 2......:o |
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| ItalianPoiSon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
I'm a self professed underground hipster EDM snob so take my opinion for what it's worth lol
of loyalty and consistent support for a promoter or a club.
(Yes, I'm looking at you, Sander van Doorn)
Even the established DJs aren't safe.
So, Armin will keep pumping any vocal trance that the crowd demands he plays.
And people think popularity equals good, when this is not true in many cases. |
as long as your being honest about being snobby, its repectable lol
I've been listeing to Sander since 06, and hes had 3 distinct style changes, which sucks becuase he was my all time fav... but he was at his worest in 2010...
I gotta tell ya from all of the big dogs... or the big dogs from 2 years ago hes still prbly the best one (i havent seen pvd in years so i wont count him)
and the last bit i agree with *insert justin bieber joke here* lol |
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| WittyHandle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
Mass appeal is the key to popularity. |
That's pretty redundant.
I agree with popularity being a shackle that many big names are slaves to creatively, but the flip side of that is that they are getting paid way more now than they ever were before, so it's their choice to go that way or not. Big names like Sasha are less in demand for those types of gigs, but he doesn't want to go that way anyway so it's no big loss. Making yourself relevant has always been the burden of artists. You just have to decide if you're willing to do what the current times demand or suffer the lack of work if you don't. |
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