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The Future of Psytrance : Darkpsy vs Neo Goa ?
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| Erlune Ardonite |
Hello Trance and Psytrance addicts.
Being myself fond of Goa, and being used to listening to trance music since 2010, I came to understand that people usually consider that the Goa created from 1992 to the beginning of the 2000' was the best Goa, and that then the genre has declined. Many consider that during the last decade, Psytrance hasn't evolved, wasn't any more creative, buoyant, tremendous, and in fact, I do partially agree. There sure have been nice projects ( 1200 Micrograms, Vibrashere, Carbon Based Lifeforms ), particuarly in Psybient, but psytrance culture seemed to be no longer at its top level.
I don't think I am the uppermost specialist of psytrance, but the purpose of this topic is to deliver the following analysis_: after a shallow decade, Goa have begun to evolve since around 2010. And it seems that it is evolving through two ( opposite_? ) directions_: two promising orientations influencing Goa culture.
I will try to analyze here those two new genres and guess how they can impact the whole psytrance culture.
The most obvious of this red thread is known as Darkpsy. The idea of building some obscure tones is not new, and I have in mind the well-known «_Astral Projection No one ever dreams_» that gets you in an esoteric, dense atmosphere occurring somewhere between dreams and nightmares. But none got darker until Dark was created near 2005/2006 in Russia and Germany. The purpose of Darkpsy is to explore the dark side of psyche, those human feelings and faculties that was long ignored by Goa_: madness, fear, anger, horror, debauchery, umbra... thanks to brand new effiscient proceeds that brought to Goa to a new kind of esthetic. Darkpsy is an overpowered music, blasting with sounds that explode in all directions, feverish rhythm pulsing with too much energy and accelerated BPM. It is an experimental genre with increasing success, and it conveys us to a world that can be described with the following features_:
_mental experiments
_witchcraft
_exploration/invocation of dark forces of the universe
_references to pop culture
_screamings
_industrial distortions
_disorder and chaos
Here are 15 titles and artists from Darkpsy_:
1. Psykovsky Hellove Ja Wohle Yo
2. Kashyyyk Death of the Dead Sea
3. Furious Quantize
4. Kindzadza Cristal Inside
5. Electrypnose Dragons Slayer
6. Crazy Astronaut Inferno
7. Cosmo Mad Professor
8. Mergel Giselle ou les Wilis
9. Highko Satan in Space
10. Xenomorph Abominations
11. Bliss Animalz
12. Parasense Oracle of Reason
13. Azax Syndrom Replica
14. Painkiller Brainwash
15. Penta - Olympia
This fascination for dark tones and forces seems to have already influenced several sub-genres_:
_Full-On Psytrance have followed this path with the birth of Full-On Night
_a part of Psytprog has detached to become Zenonesque, also called Dark Prog
_Forest Trance and Psycore are two avatars of Darkpsy
_the emerging High-Tech Psytrance, that many regard as the most potential form of future psytrance, is closed to darkpsy
Darkening psychedelic have formed a continent submitted to this strange esthetic full of audace and power. But audace and power are also part of a new Goa wave of artists. Neo Goa Trance slowly emerged in the 2000', but is really effective since 2010. Neo Goa Dj's find their inspiration both in the original roots of Goa restoring the original values and spirit inherited from the hippies, such as peace, love, respect of nature, etc. - and in exclusive techniques taken from other genres of Trance music, using Uplifting, Progressive, Melodic and Ambient tones. They transform music into light, and promote the Morning/Positive/Chilling side of Trance music, radiant waves of energy. The world in which they convey us is filled with_:
_mystic quest/inner equilibrium
_wisdom
_ exploration/invocation of the wonders of Universe
_Eastern tropism/ethnic elements
_awakening
_positive vibes
_ambient themes/abiogenesis
Here are 15 titles and artists from Neo Goa_:
1. Crossing Mind Optronic Circles
2. PharaOm Space Outpost Titan V
3. Astrancer Liquid Sky
4. Amithaba Buddha Myself in the Mirror
5. Ovnimoon Open the Third Eye
6. Trinodia War of the Gods
7. Khetzal Djaningar
8. Suduaya Matrimandir
9. BlackStarrFinale -Consequences
10. Afgin Heaven's Tears
11. Filteria Sky Input
12. Nova Fractal Perplexed
13. Sky Technology Om
14. SETI Project Endorphine
15. E-Mantra Metamorphic Resonance
You can also check two representative albums_:
_Dimensional Gateway Vol. III → on Ektoplasm_: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music...ional-gateway-3
_Rise of the Butterflies → at PlusQuam Records
This smooth praying music have taken Goa to a new level of enthusiasm and positivity. Neo Goa genre is very closed to Psybient/Downtempo/Psychill and to Psyprog, and seem to already have influenced those genres thanks to many collaborations.
Neo Goa is extremely promising and worthes more and more the Classic Goa hits, and I hope that soon no one would sorrow about the loss of the good old time with Cosmic Baby, DJ Tsuyoshi, Man With No Name, and the others. But Neo Goa lack visibilty.
Now I am asking three questions_:
_Is there a fight between those two worlds_?
_Is there a chance that they could merge_?
_Are they really the two driving forces of nowadays psytrance and will they influence all the incoming psytrance_?
About the first and third questions, I think I have noticed - I simplify - that there already are two main audiences in Psytrance_: one that likes more Full-On and Dark, and another one who like more Goa,Psybient and Psyprog. Neo Goa and Darkpsy may deepen the disensions between those two worlds, but I may be wrong.
Could they merge_? I happened to listen to some strange pieces of Goa_:
_Toο Doο, with his album Mother Pitch explores dark tones but does not sound dark
_Javi, with his album The Aural Exciter, that may be called Dark Neo Goa
What do you think of it_? Am I dead wrong_? What about the questions I ask_?
ॐ Love and Light to you, whatever you do listen. ॐ
Trance is not dead. Trance forever. |
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| Sykonee |
| Please, stop trying to invent micro-genres. 's convoluted enough as it is.:eyespop: |
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| djshire |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Please, stop trying to invent micro-genres. 's convoluted enough as it is.:eyespop: |
But everyone has to have their own little niche, a their own crowd, their own scene, because everything else is so played out! |
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| ziptnf |
| , Psyshell made another alt again. |
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| Erlune Ardonite |
| quote: | | Please, stop trying to invent micro-genres. 's convoluted enough as it is. |
Unfortunately, I did not invent them, I painfully learnt to recognize them one by one. Yes it is convoluted, is it my fault ? |
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| Sykonee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Erlune Ardonite
Unfortunately, I did not invent them, I painfully learnt to recognize them one by one. Yes it is convoluted, is it my fault ? |
Only if you encourage it. |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Please, stop trying to invent micro-genres. 's convoluted enough as it is.:eyespop: |
Please stop trying to apply the rules of most electronic music genres to psytrance.
The genres mentioned in this thread are well established. Darkpsy is nothing new, it's been around since 2006/2007. If you're having trouble keeping up with the trends with naming... gee, there's only a new one every 3/4 years. Perhaps it's actually better that darkpsy has very micro genres and isn't just full of producers making sounds to hit the dancefloors in clubs. I'd rather listen to a variety of stuff (some of which is similar to other artists) rather than "generic crap" and "weird/experimental stuff that follows no boundaries". It's good that there's something in between for some genres.
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
, Psyshell made another alt again. |
More like you're faced to admit that everything I said recently was true you . For the uninitiated ziptnf is the local autocrat who thinks he's the king of all psytrance knowledge despite knowing all. Next time anyone asks who my sets are designed for the answer is people like the OP, not idiotic asshats like you.
| quote: | Originally posted by Erlune Ardonite
Could they merge_? I happened to listen to some strange pieces of Goa_:
_Toο Doο, with his album Mother Pitch explores dark tones but does not sound dark
_Javi, with his album The Aural Exciter, that may be called Dark Neo Goa
What do you think of it_? Am I dead wrong_? What about the questions I ask_? |
I don't think they will merge. Most neo goa I've heard seems to follow one of 3 streams.
1. Stuff on suntrip records and similar (filteria, afghin etc)
2. Crossovers between trance and neo goa or melodic/morning full on psytrance stuff (no artists come to mind, but there's plenty of neo goa/euro trance crossovers around)
3. Crossovers between neo goa and darkpsy (like toi doi)
Omnivoon breaks that model and seems to be more of a full on/goa crossover though. I'm not sure there's many artists like him however.
There seems to be a big cultural divide between darkpsy and suntrip records so I certainly don't think those two streams will merge at all. Similarly... crossovers between melodic full on and trance tend to make the music much ligher/less hard so it seems unlikely that the "euro trance/neo goa crossver" stuff has any reason to mix with darkpsy. It's certainly possible to make lighter darkpsy but it doesn't generally sound anything like euro trance.
As for whether this stuff is the way of the future. Absolutely, it's already highly around in the present. Where I'm from it's all prog/prog techno/dark prog/full on/a little bit of dark. However I'm sure the balance between genres is different in different countries. Certainly internationally darkpsy is here to stay and I think that neo goa will gradually increase in popularity as well.
| quote: | Originally posted by Sykonee
Only if you encourage it. |
And mate, the people who get to decide genres are people who make music flyers/artists/labels. Not people posting that it's a bad idea on the internet. That's really not going to stop anyone. There aren't even any terms used in this thread that haven't been around for 5+ years. Neither darkpsy/neo goa is a trendy term that isn't going to be used/produced in 1/2 years. It's clear you've decided to discourage it but honestly I think it's none of your business. |
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| DJSoulstone |
The "Neo" Goa scene sees itself as the continuation of oldschool Goa Trance music and its ideas from the 90s. The scene was back then and is today very small and has no real intention of becoming huge and visible. In fact, it won't even make any "impression" on Psytrance since Goa has always been there and never disappered or changed drasticly.
There's no money to be made. All people do it mostly out of enthusiasm and even the head of Suntrip Records has a "real" job.
Btw. this sentence is simply wrong:
"Neo Goa genre is very closed to Psybient/Downtempo/Psychill and to Psyprog"
And there won't be a cross-over between Goa and Darkpsy. The fundamental ideas are simply too different. Also if you mix light and dark you get grey. Nobody likes grey! ;) |
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| Psyshell |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJSoulstone
Also if you mix light and dark you get grey. Nobody likes grey! ;) |
Tell that to ocelot :p |
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| Erlune Ardonite |
| quote: | I don't think they will merge. Most neo goa I've heard seems to follow one of 3 streams.
1. Stuff on suntrip records and similar (filteria, afghin etc) |
I think that Altar Records and Ovnimoon Records have also a role to play.
| quote: | | there's plenty of neo goa/euro trance crossovers around |
??? Have I undertood ? They mixed up Euro Trance with Goa Trance ? I really need to know more about this. Do you have examples please ? I am extremely curious about this.
| quote: | | Omnivoon breaks that model and seems to be more of a full on/goa crossover though |
Ovnimoon making Full-On ? But I thought he was a leader of Psyprog scene.
| quote: | | Also if you mix light and dark you get grey. Nobody likes grey! |
Sure. But I wasn't expecting such thing to happen. I was just wondering ^^
| quote: | | Btw. this sentence is simply wrong: "Neo Goa genre is very closed to Psybient/Downtempo/Psychill and to Psyprog" |
Actually, this is an impression I have because artists like E-Mantra make Goa as well as Psybient, and Ovnimoon makes Prog, Goa and Ambient, but indeed my sentence may be not precise enough.
Thank you for you replies btw. |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJSoulstone
There's no money to be made. All people do it mostly out of enthusiasm and even the head of Suntrip Records has a "real" job. |
Spot on. That also explains why alot of goa producers, including oldtimers such as Chi-A.D. put up their productions for free on Internet. |
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| ziptnf |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
More like you're faced to admit that everything I said recently was true you . For the uninitiated ziptnf is the local autocrat who thinks he's the king of all psytrance knowledge despite knowing all. Next time anyone asks who my sets are designed for the answer is people like the OP, not idiotic asshats like you. |
The notion that you think I know -all about psytrance is completely invented by your desperate attempts to not appear butthurt after your trainwreck mix that you made a big deal about. And I was making a joke. Lighten up, toots. |
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