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Making a sound stand out more without raising it's volume (pg. 2)
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| Richard Butler |
IMO your kick is taking too much room and the type your using is of that classic type that came to prominence a few years back, but just swamps the track. The kick here is for me a little too loud also.
I'd suggest a different less 'euphoric / unicorn' kick in addition to the changes other people mention. |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| Thanks for this so far guys, keep posting if you have anymore suggestions anyone! |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
The best way to achieve a good mix is making a mix without touching any volume fader or even the eq |
I can agree with eq, but trying to mix without the primary mixing tool is a step too far - when I'm recording synths I record them just short of clipping (to preserve their full dynamic range). There's no way that all these sounds which peak close to 0dBFS can be left at equal volume. |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
IMO your kick is taking too much room and the type your using is of that classic type that came to prominence a few years back, but just swamps the track. The kick here is for me a little too loud also.
I'd suggest a different less 'euphoric / unicorn' kick in addition to the changes other people mention. |
Is this a legitimate mixdown problem though? I like to have it sounding sort of like this. So if it's just your own personal taste, then I might consider it a little, but if you think it's a serious mixdown problem, then I'll look into it more deeply. |
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| MIKE333ACE |
| quote: | Originally posted by Raphie
start cutting, stop boosting EQ and volume is indeed your main mixing tool and WTF is a "frequency fill" you might need a brian refill though, as you ask too many non relevant questions ask yourself do you need one? :D
Cut
no boost
volume
that's all you need to know.
last but not least: go fix your monitoring/room, you can't manage what you can't hear |
What I mean by freq fill is that the sound isn't very noticeable when it's in the mix, but very noticeable when it's not. If I was to take it out, all I would have is my bass sounds and drums, but if I put it back in, it will fill in a the higher freq range a little, however it still doesn't stand out that much as an individual sound. Thus, due to the fact that it sort of blends in, but still adds to the frequency range, I called it a freq filler. I can't remember if I've heard the term before or if I just made it up one day, but its just what I call it.
And thanks for the other advice, I'll DEFINITELY do some serious cutting. I've done it before on a track, I have no idea which one, but I do remember doing it once and from memory I got a pretty solid mixdown. |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by MIKE333ACE
Is this a legitimate mixdown problem though? I like to have it sounding sort of like this. So if it's just your own personal taste, then I might consider it a little, but if you think it's a serious mixdown problem, then I'll look into it more deeply. |
Mike for me it is taking up a lot of range. I'd bet you could find a kick that would still be powerful but leave more space for the other sounds.
Of course it comes down to you and the end of the day tho.
The best trance producers imo use better kicks than this. |
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| Rodri Santos |
| quote: | Originally posted by derail
I can agree with eq, but trying to mix without the primary mixing tool is a step too far - when I'm recording synths I record them just short of clipping (to preserve their full dynamic range). There's no way that all these sounds which peak close to 0dBFS can be left at equal volume. |
That's because you are recording them at 0 if you record them with a 6db headroom it's different. This is like a preparation when you have the mix done is when you can use the volume faders and level things. It's like a hard mode, try to do it as best as you can without using any tools and when the result is more or less right use everything you wish. |
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| derail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rodri Santos
That's because you are recording them at 0 if you record them with a 6db headroom it's different. This is like a preparation when you have the mix done is when you can use the volume faders and level things. It's like a hard mode, try to do it as best as you can without using any tools and when the result is more or less right use everything you wish. |
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Where did you learn about gain staging? Why are you recording instruments at -6dB?
Even then, I don't understand how that solves anything. Then every instrument peaks at -6dB, and they're still all out of balance with each other. How do you mix them without using the level faders? Do you do much recording of vocals, external instruments etc? |
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| clay |
i have a couple of suggestions:
- lower all your channels by 15-20dB.
- delete all compression and eqs (on every ing instrument as well as master).
- raise the volume on your monitors alot (keeps your from pushing your tracks).
- start mixing over again (fine tune for weeks for best result).
behold a ing awesome sounding dynamic track compared to the compressed we have today. yes it will be low and doesnt work on mp3/ipad/tv but me it sounds good on a big stereo. dynamics bro, that is awesome. |
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| Raphie |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
i have a couple of suggestions:
- lower all your channels by 15dB
- delete all compression and eqs.
- raise the volume on your monitors.
- start mixing over again (fine tune for weeks).
behold a ing awesome sounding dynamic track compared to the compressed we have today. yes it will be low and doesnt work on mp3/ipad/tv but me it sounds good on a big stereo. dynamics bro, that is awesome. |
+1... Dynamics are awesome! |
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| Juan Paulino |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
i have a couple of suggestions:
- lower all your channels by 15-20dB.
- delete all compression and eqs (on every ing instrument as well as master).
- raise the volume on your monitors alot (keeps your from pushing your tracks).
- start mixing over again (fine tune for weeks for best result).
behold a ing awesome sounding dynamic track compared to the compressed we have today. yes it will be low and doesnt work on mp3/ipad/tv but me it sounds good on a big stereo. dynamics bro, that is awesome. |
Does that really work? |
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| jayxthekoolest |
| quote: | Originally posted by clay
i have a couple of suggestions:
- lower all your channels by 15-20dB.
- delete all compression and eqs (on every ing instrument as well as master).
- raise the volume on your monitors alot (keeps your from pushing your tracks).
- start mixing over again (fine tune for weeks for best result).
behold a ing awesome sounding dynamic track compared to the compressed we have today. yes it will be low and doesnt work on mp3/ipad/tv but me it sounds good on a big stereo. dynamics bro, that is awesome. |
not sure if troll
or clueless |
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