What do you guys think - the future of mixing consoles?
tehlord
Fuq no
If you're going to use faders, use faders. Don't you find with multi touch that you end up staring at the screen as you would if you were using a mouse and keyboard?
TranceLover007
Yah, for 17,000.00$ for MTX is not going to be everyday businesses for everyone lol but MTi should be available for bathroom producers like me :D
Prices for MTX will ship in April:
stereo: $15,999
7.1 surround: $17,499
Price for MTi following closely behind MTX:
$3499
Darek
cryophonik
quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
Don't you find with multi touch that you end up staring at the screen as you would if you were using a mouse and keyboard?
V-Control Pro on my iPad is like a miniaturized controller verion of this (at a fraction of a fraction of its cost) and, actually, no I don't find myself staring at my screen at all when using it. Hell, I've gone so long without touching my mouse or looking at the screen that my screen saver has come on, followed by my monitors shutting down while I continue to work only using my iPad to control my DAW. Honestly, Geoff, I think you, of all people, would love it. It was originally designed for PT, Cubase, and Logic and I'd say that it is still really optimized (i.e., accesses the most features) for those three DAWs, even though it now officially supports a bunch of other DAWs.
BTW, I see RANN lurking here - why the hell hasn't he commented on this thing?! :toocool:
tehlord
As an iPad app that's used in conjunction with tactile faders etc I totally see the point.
What I don't understand is how you can comfortably use a large format mix console with zero tactile feedback. What if you want to adjust one channel while riding another one? I'd always be looking back at the other channel to make sure my finger was still on the fader.
I will be grabbing Lemur/Touchosc in addition to a desk as well though, for quick access to certain parameters.
Oh, and that Genome thing :p
cryophonik
quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
What I don't understand is how you can comfortably use a large format mix console with zero tactile feedback. What if you want to adjust one channel while riding another one? I'd always be looking back at the other channel to make sure my finger was still on the fader.
Yeah, that would be a PITA. I guess I also just don't see the point in dropping that much money on something like this, as Darek mentioned. IMO the advantage of all this technology is to make things smaller, cheaper, more accessible, use less power, etc. - I'm not sure that this is a step in that direction.
TranceLover007
Interesting video about some application and FX on MTi
I't neither here nor there - people either want hard faders or they don't want faders at all.
If you're in that price bracket, then you could get one of the cheaper Euphonix MC systems, or even DIY a few of the artist series together, which are pro studio level.
There was a thread on gearslutz about this very subject with some really interesting things, but the bottom line is, they are simply not responsive enough.
Apparently, something very interesting is that Apple owns some kind of patent for adaptive texture touch screens; i.e. screens that change texture depending on input, and giving tactile feedback on the surface. That would be interesting but just a touchscreen will never be abel to replace the feeling of a fader.
Looney4Clooney
yup.
and if people could get over the hand finger thing , you would have to have it horizontal or you are developing a nice back problem. They use a similar motion to torture guatanamo prisoners. Having your hands in the air is really really hard to sustain. And at 17 000, you are looking at pro mixings. This is the kind of product that kills a company. HIs attempt at comedy also put me off from his products. THat fart skit was just really inferior humour.
vercetti
He should have released Raven X1.
DJ RANN
quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
yup.
and if people could get over the hand finger thing , you would have to have it horizontal or you are developing a nice back problem. They use a similar motion to torture guatanamo prisoners. Having your hands in the air is really really hard to sustain. And at 17 000, you are looking at pro mixings. This is the kind of product that kills a company.
Yeah, the problem is that aside from the software, you can buy a multitouch large format screen for a couple of grand now. The Sltuz thread actually had a bunch of examples from guys DIY'ing this exact thing made for a couple of grand in their garage.
Sure some of the workflow things are nice but I didn't see a single thing you can't do on an MC5, albeit a tiny bit slower; link faders, jump faders, micro scale fader movement etc.
I think what they though is to try to take a chunk out of the pro desk market but the problem is that in that price bracket, you're at pro level and touchscreens without tactile feedback are a poor replacement for actual faders.
If they had been able to make this for $5/6k, they would wouldn;t be able to keep them in stock.
Richard Butler
I envisage all sorts of problems such as accidentaly swiping over a button or three and not being able to find your way back because it just wont be obvious in the way it is with a hard mixer.
Or if you had cold fingers and the ing thing just doesn't respond - I've noticed this very thing with certain touch phones.
What about when you just go to rest your left hand / elbow and end up causing a load of buttons to engage.
Can you draw on it? Can you stick little yellow stickies to it?
I bet none of these little things have been thought through.
