A lot of the new 2-step garage stuff that's coming out today (Ejeca, Waze & Odyssey, Etc) starts off with a simple drum pattern with some reverb on it.
I'm trying to work this into some of my tracks but the reverb sounds totally off. Too separate from the drums and doesn't have that dark vibe. Any tricks to shaping an cohesive verb in this style that also works when the full mix is in?
Vernon Wanderer
I'm not familiar with those tracks, but for some darkish sweet drums I use valhalla vintage and some stereo imaging.
evo8
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Originally posted by kadomony
A lot of the new 2-step garage stuff that's coming out today (Ejeca, Waze & Odyssey, Etc) starts off with a simple drum pattern with some reverb on it.
I'm trying to work this into some of my tracks but the reverb sounds totally off. Too separate from the drums and doesn't have that dark vibe. Any tricks to shaping an cohesive verb in this style that also works when the full mix is in?
any examples? i dont know any of those artists
Richard Butler
Yeah post some examples and maybe a clip of your own drum work so far.
Excess
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Originally posted by Vernon Wanderer
I'm not familiar with those tracks, but for some darkish sweet drums I use valhalla vintage and some stereo imaging.
without hearing an example, i can confirm that valhallavintage is ing fantastic for anything and i've especially gotten some nice plate verb from it. i assume you're not talking about a plate verb though, and valhallavintage is equally as awesome for room and or odd sounding spaces
cryophonik
I just listened to a couple of track intros from the artists mentioned, and it sounds to me like they're simply putting a dark and relatively dense reverb on a send and sending a good amount of snare and a little hihat/shaker to it. When the full mix is in, they probably use automation to reduce the reverb send levels. So, for starters, make sure that your drum sounds are on individual tracks and that you are using reverb as a send effect (i.e., not an insert effect). Getting the right reverb dialed in is probably most of the battle. Make sure that it's a dark (e.g., hi-cut) and dense reverb, but not too long and with some pre-delay to allow the transients through without sounding pushed back too far in the mix. And, yeah, Valhalla VV would be a great choice to start with.
kadomony
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Originally posted by cryophonik
I just listened to a couple of track intros from the artists mentioned, and it sounds to me like they're simply putting a dark and relatively dense reverb on a send and sending a good amount of snare and a little hihat/shaker to it. When the full mix is in, they probably use automation to reduce the reverb send levels. So, for starters, make sure that your drum sounds are on individual tracks and that you are using reverb as a send effect (i.e., not an insert effect). Getting the right reverb dialed in is probably most of the battle. Make sure that it's a dark (e.g., hi-cut) and dense reverb, but not too long and with some pre-delay to allow the transients through without sounding pushed back too far in the mix. And, yeah, Valhalla VV would be a great choice to start with.
Excellent, thanks! I have Valhalla but haven't used it in a bit. Will check it out. Here's an example if anyone else has some info:
evo8
the snare in that track? i take it thats the sound you mean? the reverb on the snare sounds noisy or downsampled to me
kadomony
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Originally posted by evo8
the snare in that track? i take it thats the sound you mean? the reverb on the snare sounds noisy or downsampled to me
actually the hats in this example. though this also shows the cohesion between the different verb spaces i'm trying to nail down.
Allied Nations
its not verb on the hats it seems more like a solid groove and varied velocity
in the first 10 seconds i dont hear reverb on the hats, just nice hats, probably left and right played slightly earlier or later with altering volume and solid groove
Richard Butler
There is I think a small amount of room verb on this possibly with pre delay and perhaps a single step short delay fx also.
I often go for this kinda thing to at some prescence and usualy as an insert. Once I've messed about getting the correct verb density and type (I scroll through types using cubase revernece), I then turn it to an audio sample.
often 2 different or 2 of the same verbs can give you the right result.
TAIL - it is imperative the tail s off just at the right moment, so I often use a gate to achieve this otherwise you get an unpro sloppy result.
evo8
yeah its maybe a very short room reverb on the hats, but i prefer chorus for this type of effect as its hard to get the reverb right without pushing the hats back into the background
Or a very short delay either - UAD Cooper Time Cube is very good for making hats seem nice and wide
