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Ishkurs Guide (pg. 2)
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| lacedpills |
| He has the best taste ever in EDM imo. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jake Benson
Btw Ishkur flamed me on here once when I predicted that dance music was swallowing hip-hop after listening to "The Way I Are" by Timbaland. He insisted that "hip-hop" can take anything it wants and still be hip-hop. He was wrong. I was right. Dance ate hip-hop almost thanks solely to David Guetta. |
I clearly remember that thread. You said hip-hop was starting to sound a lot like trance. Everyone in Music Discussion was lining up to call you an idiot, and yet time has proven you absolutely right. Sampled breaks went right out the window, in came 4/4 kicks, massive synth riffs and Euro dance larcency. Credit where credit is due, Mr Benson.
As for the next version of Ishkur's Guide... maybe he'll release it one day, but it's a lost cause even if it happens. In 2002 he was 24, he was a regular clubber, he was right on the pulse of everything that was happening and his satire and acerbic commentary cut right to the bone. Now he's in his mid-30s, he doesn't go out very much and he is no longer a central participant but someone stood on the outside trying to figure out what's going on in the cultural maelstrom. It took the guy about three years to catch up with who Burial is. The old Guide was someone expertly pointing out the silly little rituals and self-importance of all these little scenes with expertise. The new Guide is just going to be some out-of-touch guy complaining about a lot of music that has no real impact on his life. |
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| Vector A |
My girlfriend started liking pop and hip-hop just as they became filled with four to the floor beats and synths, which is funny because she used to hate it when I played dance music. I guess you just have to add some autotuned vocals or rapping to get people to come around.
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
My girlfriend started liking pop and hip-hop just as they became filled with four to the floor beats and synths, which is funny because she used to hate it when I played dance music. I guess you just have to add some autotuned vocals or rapping to get people to come around.
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ugh, story of my life. it's kind of ironic, since the same thing usually totally ruins the track for me |
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| Salegon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
My girlfriend started liking pop and hip-hop just as they became filled with four to the floor beats and synths, which is funny because she used to hate it when I played dance music. I guess you just have to add some autotuned vocals or rapping to get people to come around.
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
My girlfriend started liking pop and hip-hop just as they became filled with four to the floor beats and synths, which is funny because she used to hate it when I played dance music. I guess you just have to add some autotuned vocals or rapping to get people to come around.
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I think stripping all the polyphony out and making it extremely digestible doesn't hurt. |
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| Alex |
Hahahahaha ISHKUR!
He was the biggest butt-hurt TA for quite a while. |
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| Paradox Lost |
I'm not sure how regularly or diligently he's been working on his guide, but I have to imagine the numerous shifts in dance music and dance music culture that have occurred since he announced the project eight years ago have sent right back to the drawing board on more than one occasion.
Spending several years creating the guide seems to defeat the purpose of creating the guide. |
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| lacedpills |
| Even though I think he's an expert, I always thought he should've featured a Peter Rauhofer track in his guide. I dont think it's a random suggestion because PR was an important figure in the NY house scene. The New York house branch in his guide was slightly flawed but at least he mentioned it. |
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| LoveHate |
| I had the chance to hang out with him once but he thought I was a poser, and wasn't there for the music, just because I did drugs.:confused: |
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| LAdazeNYnights |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
I had the chance to hang out with him once but he thought I was a poser, and wasn't there for the music, just because I did drugs.:confused: |
lol amazing |
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| Ishkur |
I suppose you guys deserve an explanation. This site was always #1 on the old guide's referal logs for several years running.
Let me explain to you what's happening:
Have you ever played an old RPG where you go into a cavern looking for loot, and you think its a short cave but then you climb down some stairs or open a door and a whole labyrinth opens up before you? And you're like "holy jesus, this is going to take days to explore." And so you meticulously go through every passageway and dead end mapping it all out, but the cave doesn't seem to have an end? Every passageway leads to a fork with more passageways and more stairs to more dungeons and it just keeps on going forever?
...that's what cataloguing electronic music is like. I can't count how many "my god, its full of stars" moments I've had. It just keeps going on forever. Hell, just a few nights ago we rounded up and sorted over 100 freestyle tracks. ONE HUNDRED TRACKS OF JUST FREESTYLE (and we toyed with demarcations within this -- namely, Planet Rock Freestyle and non-Planet Rock Freestyle). And it was only around for about 15 years or so (from early 80s to late 90s). Other, longer, deeper genres have far more music. This thing is easily 10x larger than the previous guide.
That doesn't mean that I underestimated the scope and breadth of electronic music -- I know how much is out there. I just underestimated the time it would take to research, sort, catalogue, label, and sample all the music. If you want to break that down, say about 10 minutes per track, we already have over 5000, do the math: That's about 830 hours spent just indexing music (but the total time spent is easily twice as high, given research and acquisition of music). Part time. Going on for several years now. At launch, it will have an estimated 7500 samples, with a tentative goal of 10,000.
So the good news is this is getting done. The bad news is there is still lots more to go, but there has been considerable progress, and its taking into account recent developments given the lengthy production schedule. It will not stay super up to date (ie: You will not see recent music on the guide very much, if at all...maybe a one or two year buffer, with a blog/changelog describing the latest events and news off-map) because I prefer to let things settle down before the music writers and scenesters and producers and bloggers and DJs decide to unanimously call a new form of music a thing (jury's still out on "complextro", for instance). |
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