These are the ones I think would be best for trance productoin in the $1000 price range. I know my way around Cubase and I spent alot of time on reason, but i want to try ableton. Do i want to perform live, yes in the future, but i am more focused on producing trance at a high quality level, I dont think any vitrual synths are adequate for good electronic music production...so I dont want any soft synth plus controller suggestions, I know there are also used versions of x y z JP8000 blah blah, but I want to get a new synth. The things I dont like about phatty are no on baord after effects reverb delay etc. Plus keyoard is small. I dont think its a optimal arp either, limited pattern chooice, no step sequencer, but it has a sequencer i think. King Korg, I actually really like the sound, and their new tech for pre modelling wav forms in specific layers of a multi layer oscilater and dual timbre, you can layer like 10 saws on top which is obviously good for super saw, phatty can make beefy and good pads too i think but it's monophonic. There is no sequencer on the Korg, whihc is weird, but i do like the interface, it ooks user friendly, vinally the mopho, obviously its analog like phatty but bigger keybopard, proablky better range for voice pads and also it has 4 voice with multi oscillators assignable i think wich good for thick bass adnsuper saw.
It has a sequencer too 16x4. theyre all usb midi com[atible smae there so thats not an issue, on board presets i dont care about that really, i care abut the arp ability though and the korg has 24 voices so the most by far including the 3 osciallators, but its not anolog....
Thats another question i have too, what is better, anolog wavs but fewer voices or virtual analog and 24 voices...I know theres aother rolands for cheaper that have 128 voice too but yeah...btw i havent slep at all in the past 4 days, just thought id add that for no real reason really uhhh but yea im manic
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Storyteller
ITB = in the box (pc)
OTB = outside the box (pc)
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Try before you buy seems appropriate here. By the way your post was written I feel you haven't tried any of them. You get into technicalities that usually aren't really relevant unless you're looking for specific features. Why not look up your favourite tracks and see what synthesizers that specific producer uses? You might be surprised ;).
Unless you are incredibly anal about the hardware sound/feel/experience hardware synths will not increase your ability to produce better music.
Unless you just want to own one for the experience, just pick one of the synths you had in mind. Most preferably the one with the best resale value/potential. In the end your attempt at using hardware might be for free ;).
Software synthesizers pretty much do the same thing at a lower price point, more flexibility and using multiple instances once.
evo8
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Originally posted by mistermerlin
I dont think any vitrual synths are adequate for good electronic music production
riiiiiiight..........
mistermerlin
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Software synthesizers pretty much do the same thing at a lower price point, more flexibility and using multiple instances once.
yuouve heard of something called anti aliasing right? this is a huge proble m just for digital hard synths
No they don't especially if they are anilog. They cant effectively reproduce multiple retriggers of certain oscillation slaves like there isnt enough mathematical complexity to be able to fully mimic all the true dynamics of an analog ssynth that has poly and multiple comlicating effects like retrigger and who knows how much modulation etc
What I wold consider onceding though is that maybe ...MAYBE...software synths that have been resampled in pristine conditions then they might equal digital hard synths, but not analog, you cant fully replicate the physical wires and voltage that cause physical chain of effect through ntature man it's like ral its not just 0s and1s bro, you cant hear the difference between mnosts ty soft synths thin as hell and a full nice moog .
other thing is, having your ONE instance of hardware outside the cpu takes all the pressure off the cpu so it can handle proper operations like fine mastering of a 50 track audio mix.
sundrip
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Originally posted by evo8
riiiiiiight..........
Of course what he means is that he has no real production skills and would love some hardware presets to make it easy on himself.
Storyteller
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Originally posted by mistermerlin
No they don't especially if they are anilog. They cant effectively reproduce multiple retriggers of certain oscillation slaves like there isnt enough mathematical complexity to be able to fully mimic all the true dynamics of an analog ssynth that has poly and multiple comlicating effects like retrigger and who knows how much modulation etc
Hence the 'pretty much' in the section you quoted and the part about paying extraordinary attention for certain hardware characteristics.
I don't know how far along you are in terms of experience, but usually if you run into problems realizing what is inside your head on software, hardware is not going to change that.
mistermerlin
you probably own a sample based hardware synth and think its analog cause its called virtual analog....like the marketing attempts to do, take advantage of fools who secretly know hardware is for real musicians and soft synths are just their coping mechanism of having no drive or talent
mistermerlin
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Originally posted by Storyteller
Hence the 'pretty much' in the section you quoted and the part about paying extraordinary attention for certain hardware characteristics.
I don't know how far along you are in terms of experience, but usually if you run into problems realizing what is inside your head on software, hardware is not going to change that.
My version of cubase is from 2006, i used it for recording multiple tracks and mastering, besides that, cubase is for sequencing. Reason is more fun I had a crack of that maybe 8 years ago. Other than tha I have no experience, hence this being my first real piece of euqipment, i owned samplers like a gemini and tech 1200s and many mixers, blah blah, im a master precision artist at beat camouflagin, I spun drum and bass onlty, but I always had soft spot for trance, hard hittign euphoric vocal could be anything as long isas its musiocally good....intelligent trance that is once i get my hard synth and ablton I am going to have a hit tune in like a year tops garanteed.
actually forget that i dont care about having a hit. i dont give a about anything really, i just breathe trance beats and synth laeads and bass bro, im like a trance ing spectre of all knowingness in your face
oh yeah and i downloaded virtual dj like 5 weeks ago and ive mastered it i dont even have speajersk i do it all through my head check my levels and camouflagin its on nmy utube on my profile bro, theres mixes the4re for you to be trancing to bro, ive also been awake for 4 days straight now.
Storyteller
Good luck with that.
I had a Moog once. It was fun while it lasted.
tehlord
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Originally posted by mistermerlin
you probably own a sample based hardware synth and think its analog cause its called virtual analog
Virtual Analogues aren't sample based.
Looney4Clooney
that thread you created in the music section wondering what synth he is using. Guess what. Software. In fact all your favourite electro house producers are using software. So ya, you sound kinda retarded right about now. And aliasing is actually a particularly aesthetic that most electro house guys use intentionally. and the king korg which you seem really hard on is software in a box. Ones and Zeros.
you clearly dont' really know much and i would really advise against spending money at this point in time.
And as nice as they sound which they do , all that is pretty much lost once you start adding it to a mix. They sound great on their own but the second you start adding them to a standard edm mix, you really are not going to be able to tell the 4000 $ saw wave from the stock logic synth.
evo8
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Originally posted by mistermerlin
My version of cubase is from 2006, i used it for recording multiple tracks and mastering, besides that, cubase is for sequencing. Reason is more fun I had a crack of that maybe 8 years ago. Other than tha I have no experience, hence this being my first real piece of euqipment, i owned samplers like a gemini and tech 1200s and many mixers, blah blah, im a master precision artist at beat camouflagin, I spun drum and bass onlty, but I always had soft spot for trance, hard hittign euphoric vocal could be anything as long isas its musiocally good....intelligent trance that is once i get my hard synth and ablton I am going to have a hit tune in like a year tops garanteed.
actually forget that i dont care about having a hit. i dont give a about anything really, i just breathe trance beats and synth laeads and bass bro, im like a trance ing spectre of all knowingness in your face
oh yeah and i downloaded virtual dj like 5 weeks ago and ive mastered it i dont even have speajersk i do it all through my head check my levels and camouflagin its on nmy utube on my profile bro, theres mixes the4re for you to be trancing to bro, ive also been awake for 4 days straight now.
