Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
It is a civil war now, both sides have a lot to blame, but ultimately Assad and his family have a history of repression and massacre dating back decades, so this really isn't that hard to pick someone to back.
that. We shouldn't be backing anyone in this fight. Let the Arab states fight it out amongst themselves.
Those rebels are trouble.
Nrg2Nfinit
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Originally posted by hardcore trancer
Have you seen the video of one of the rebel soldier eating the dead Syrian soldier's heart? Is that the type of people they want to replace the current regime with? How is that good for the Syrian people?? The place will undoubtedly turn into a cluster even more once Assad is gone.
hell yeah!
srussell0018
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Originally posted by Lews
that. We shouldn't be backing anyone in this fight. Let the Arab states fight it out amongst themselves.
Those rebels are trouble.
Those who have the ability to help have the responsibility to help. Innocent Syrians are being slaughtered by their own government. Regardless of who the rebels are, anyone who can help, should help.
That isolationist position went the way of the dodo a long time ago.
Lews
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Originally posted by srussell0018
Those who have the ability to help have the responsibility to help. Innocent Syrians are being slaughtered by their own government. Regardless of who the rebels are, anyone who can help, should help.
That isolationist position went the way of the dodo a long time ago.
"Innocent" is a bull term. This whole situation is ed up. If it was a clearer issue of black and white, bad and good guys, then yes, we would have a responsibility to step in. That's why we intervened in Libya.
Syria is a cluster of good and bad people on both sides, with atrocities committed on both sides. Blaming everything on Assad is completely myopic and idiotic. We have neither the right nor the need nor the desire to intervene and shouldn't.
A blind desire to help the "good innocent people" isn't going to make this situation any better.
srussell0018
It's irresponsible to allow a regime which uses chemical weapons against its own citizens to remain in power.
Lews
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Originally posted by srussell0018
It's irresponsible to allow a regime which uses chemical weapons against its own citizens to remain in power.
So we should instead allow the rebels who are using chemical weapons against the regime to take power?
Stop thinking so blindly. You hear chemical weapons and freak the out, without looking at the actual chemical weapons or at the wider situation. This is not a simple situation. It would be great if it was, but it is not.
zGoogleman
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Originally posted by srussell0018
Those who have the ability to help have the responsibility to help. Innocent Syrians are being slaughtered by their own government. Regardless of who the rebels are, anyone who can help, should help.
That isolationist position went the way of the dodo a long time ago.
Things are too complicated. You are not getting that this is a proxy-war between KSA & Qatar against Iran.
If Assad falls, what will be left in place? A more radical and oppressive group that will kill more people. Pick the lesser of two evils.
Assad>over Islamic terrorists funded by KSA and USA and Qatar.
It literally is a religious war between Muslims over some trivial that has been going on for the past thousand years. That is tough.
srussell0018
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Originally posted by Lews
So we should instead allow the rebels who are using chemical weapons against the regime to take power?
Stop thinking so blindly. You hear chemical weapons and freak the out, without looking at the actual chemical weapons or at the wider situation. This is not a simple situation. It would be great if it was, but it is not.
And you believe the rebels are actually using chemical weapons? Because Assad said so? These aren't just things you can produce in an apartment somewhere. I highly doubt these rebels possess the technology or brainpower to weaponize any kind of chemical, but the Syrian government sure does.
Assad is even stepping up the use of chemical weapons with nobody lifting a finger to stop him.
There are troves of evidence that the Syran government has, and is continuing to use chemical weapons. There is zero evidence that the rebels have. The only "evidence" that chemical weapons have been used by the rebels are reports coming from the Syrian government.
Lews
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Originally posted by srussell0018
And you believe the rebels are actually using chemical weapons? Because Assad said so? These aren't just things you can produce in an apartment somewhere. I highly doubt these rebels possess the technology or brainpower to weaponize any kind of chemical, but the Syrian government sure does.
Yes, Stephen, that's 100% the reason I gave for thinking that the rebels may have used chemical weapons.
srussell0018
You didn't give any reason at all, so I'm curious to hear what it is.
I'd much rather an organized regime change take place with some sort of democratic vote establish a government overseen by UN peacekeepers, than having those who can help sit on the side lines while numerous human rights violations and atrocities continue to be committed.
To make it even more absurd is that Syria is actually a member of the UN. A member of the UNs government is actively using chemical weapons on its own citizens and nobody is doing anything at all about it.
"Stay out of it and let it play out" is not the answer especially now that Syria is receiving high-tech weapons from Russia.
Lews
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Originally posted by srussell0018
You didn't give any reason at all, so I'm curious to hear what it is.
Originally posted by srussell0018
I'd much rather an organized regime change take place with some sort of democratic vote establish a government overseen by UN peacekeepers, than having those who can help sit on the side lines while numerous human rights violations and atrocities continue to be committed.
I laughed at 'organized regime change', 'democratic vote', 'UN peacekeepers'.
This isn't simple, man. Stop thinking it is.
Lews
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Originally posted by srussell0018
To make it even more absurd is that Syria is actually a member of the UN. A member of the UNs government is actively using chemical weapons on its own citizens and nobody is doing anything at all about it
Pretty much every country is a member of the UN. That means nothing.
