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How Do You Identify The Scale Of Your Track? (pg. 3)
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| alanzo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
There are quite a few tracks that will have the main melody based on a different pitch centre. Some rather famous mega tracks from the classic era did this quite often. Don't think tthe producer knew what it was he was doing in any way he could describe with words, it just sounded right. |
And they had some idea of how to produce music, so that helped a lot, too. You can get a lot further in EDM if you're an awesome producer than if you know WTF you're doing musically. So much dubstep doesn't have more than one note... |
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| Looney4Clooney |
disagree,
the main rhythmic build to the melody is technically inferring the key built on the IV of the melody. I really doubt the producer had any idea regarding foreign keys and chord substitution. The melody is ripped from an elgar piece, and then they just worked it out and it sounded ok to them.
this one uses the most common modern day use of key manipulation mostly heard in film were you just do the same thing a minor third up or down. The main melody is an implied key a minor 3rd up. Stems back from wagner but as if any of these producers had any clue what it was they were doing in a way they could describe. It just sounded right.
So you get alot of this. I think that it stems from producers not really understanding chords and in a way using them incorrectly which produces results that are not incorrect but perhaps more interesting than someone with 2 years of harmony under their belt,. Learning theory has this effect were if you only learn a bit, it tends to make you think inside the box. It takes quite a bit of study to learn it and realize the contextual implications and be able to use it as a tool and not a crutch. Most people can't .
I am pretty sure most of these guys, even the ones doing melodic stuff have no idea what a scale is or what keys imply. They probably hack at a keyboard till it sounds right. |
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| KilldaDJ |
| on a scale of 1 > 10 my tracks are 11 |
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| Storyteller |
| Nice try but someone beat you to making this failed attempt at making a pun. |
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| clay |
| quote: | Originally posted by future_newbie
Btw people, do you know of any edm track, in particular trance tunes, which change their key in the middle of the song?
Could you post them and tell me where does it exactly occur? |
cosmic baby - space track. in the middle after the "pause" you cant miss it. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by kadomony
3:05, my dudes. |
That's a chord change, not a key change. The track is in Fmin and the bass is playing a F-Db-Eb-Bb progression (i.e., the i, vi, vii, and iv notes of an Fmin scale) under an Fm-Eb progression, which is essentially an Fm-Dbmaj7-Eb-Eb [2nd inv] (i-VI7-VII-VII). It then switches to Db-Bb-Eb-C (vi, iv, vii, v notes of Fmin) under a Db-Eb progression, which is essentially like playing a Db-Bbm7-Eb-Cm7 (VI-iv7-VII-v7) progression. But, the notes and chords never leave the key of Fmin and a new tonal center is never established. |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| Am I crazy for choosing a scale before I start an original track? :( |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by BshidoHEAT
Am I crazy for choosing a scale before I start an original track? :( |
No. There's no right or wrong way to start a track. |
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| cryophonik |
I see this problem all the time with EDM producers. You guys are so used to hearing songs with hardly any harmonic variety that you seem to confuse any introduction of a new chord as a key change. So, here's an example of a song (not trance) that actually has lots of chord changes and a key change so that you can hear what it sounds like.
The song starts in D minor. The intro/verse chords are:
Dm-Am-Bb-Gm-A (i-v-VI-iv-V)
The chorus chords are:
Bb-C-Dm-Am (VI-VII-i-v)
Then, at 2:37 it begins a transition to the new key (at breakdown, where chords go through a Dm-Am-C-Bb-A progression IIRC) and at 2:55, the new key (E minor) is introduced and the verse chords are now one whole-step higher:
Em-Bm-C-Am-B (i-v-VI-iv-V)
And, at 3:18 through the outro, the new chorus is also one whole-note higher:
C-D-Em-Bm (VI-VII-i-v) |
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| Looney4Clooney |
| quote: | Originally posted by BshidoHEAT
Am I crazy for choosing a scale before I start an original track? :( |
i would say it is pretty stupid considering how a slight variation could change that scale. I guess to me that seems about as practical as picking the shaker sound before anything else. The shaker must be perfect, and everything will fall into place. |
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