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Athiests/Agnostics: what would it take for you to become a believer? (pg. 6)
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
agnostic means mincing faggot. |
oh I don't know.. |
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| Marcus Summers |
So... This thread has turned into a war of definitions between non-believers. I'm glad to see people putting so much effort in this all while the Vatican and CERN are exchanging scientists on a regular basis. The One True Church has done more than any of you could accomplish, which includes building Western Europe into what we see today.
Georges Lemaître, a Roman Catholic theologian, astronomer, and physicist.
He was the first person to propose the theory of the expansion of the Universe, widely misattributed to Edwin Hubble. This theory that a "Big Bang" created our universe never pulled Father Georges away from his faith in God.
Pierre Duhem, a French physicist, mathematician and philosopher of science, best known for his writings on the indeterminacy of experimental criteria and on scientific development in the Middle Ages. Duhem also made major contributions to the science of his day, particularly in the fields of hydrodynamics, elasticity, and thermodynamics.
Unlike many former historians (e.g. Voltaire and Condorcet), who denigrated the Middle Ages, he endeavored to show that the Roman Catholic Church had helped foster Western science in one of its most fruitful periods.
Gregor Mendel, a scientist and Augustinian friar who gained posthumous fame as the founder of the new science of genetics.
Mendel demonstrated that the inheritance of certain traits in pea plants follows particular patterns, now referred to as the laws of Mendelian inheritance. The combination of Mendelian genetics with Darwin's theory of natural selection resulted in the modern synthesis of evolutionary biology. Mendel understood that even though science could explain God's work to a certain extent, it did not rule out the existence of God. Mendel died in peace, still a friar, still a scientist, ALWAYS a Roman Catholic.
Marin Mersenne, a French theologian, philosopher, mathematician and music theorist, often referred to as the "father of acoustics" and considered to the scientific world as the main contributor to the "birth of modern geometry".
Mersenne was the center of the world of science and mathematics during the first half of the 1600s. His regular visitors, or correspondents, included Peiresc, Gassendi, Descartes, Roberval, Beeckman, J B van Helmont, Fermat, Hobbes, Etienne Pascal, and his son Blaise Pascal. He set up meetings of scholars from around Europe during which they would read and review scientific papers, both national and international, exchange contacts with other scholars and plan and discuss experiments and other work.
A brilliant mind, with a keen intellect that knew no equal, Mersenne never questioned his faith in God.
Saint Albert The Great, a German Dominican friar and a bishop who achieved fame for his comprehensive knowledge of and advocacy for the peaceful coexistence of science and religion
Many have referred to him as the greatest German philosopher and theologian of the Middle Ages, an opinion supported by contemporaries such as Roger Bacon. The Catholic Church honours him as a Doctor of the Church, one of only 35 persons with that honor.
Roger Bacon, an English philosopher and Franciscan friar who placed considerable emphasis on the study of nature through empirical methods. He is sometimes credited, mainly starting in the 19th century, as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by the works of Aristotle and later Islamic works, such as the works of Muslim scientist Alhazen.
Pope Sylvester II, a prolific scholar, teacher, and pope. He endorsed and promoted knowledge of arithmetic, mathematics, and astronomy in Europe, reintroducing the abacus and armillary sphere, which had been lost to Europe since the end of the Greco-Roman era. He was the first French Pope, reigning from 999 until his death . Due to his efforts to root out simony and other corruption within the Church, and his connection with the science and intellectualism, there were many rumors and legends spread of Sylvester II being a sorcerer in league with the devil.
All these people named above were directly supported and funded by the Holy Roman Catholic Church. The Church to this day contributes more to science and Charity than all atheists combined. More schools, more homes and food for the needy, more clothes, more love. Nothing is more holy and just than the Church which Christ gave divine authority to (Mt. 16:13-20, 18:18; Lk. 10:16)
God Bless
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| Redd |
Are you arguing there is a god because christianity/religious people have contributed more to society than atheists, or that atheists are stains because of it?
Another alternative is copy paste from some religious bull forum. |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
Are you arguing there is a god because christianity/religious people have contributed more to society than atheists, or that atheists are stains because of it?
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Maybe you need to read the Good Book again, brother. I find this argument best against protestants (Typically bible thumping "Christians" who love quoting scripture.) but these passages also prove to heretics of any belief the Catholic Church is the Church of God.
-Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Bible is the only source of God's Word.
-The first Christians "were persevering in the doctrine of the apostles" (Acts 2:42; 2 Tim 1:14) long before the New Testament was written — and centuries before we knew with certainty which books were part of the New Testament.
-Not everything Christ did and said is recorded in Scripture (Jn. 21:25).
-Scripture needs an authoritative interpreter (Acts 8:30-31; 2 Pet. 1:20-21, 3:15-16).
-Christ left His Church with divine authority to teach in His name (Mt. 16:13-20, 18:18; Lk. 10:16).
-The Church — and not the Bible alone — is the "pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).
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| Redd |
| You're bat insane, but that's fine in My Book. |
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| Desiderata |
I'll put this one instead, should have looked into Joel Osteen further that taking a websites information at face value.
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| srussell0018 |
| Joel osteen actually donates most of his money. |
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| Desiderata |
| quote: | Originally posted by srussell0018
Joel osteen actually donates most of his money. |
I didn't know that, now I feel like a prick , but in case I just copied this image from another site. |
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| r5a |
any of you basement nerds see the man from earth? imagine if that was truth and jesus was just some guy who lived for centuries and just was trying to pass along knowledge and people twisted it?
hm |
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| Marcus Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by r5a
any of you basement nerds see the man from earth? imagine if that was truth and jesus was just some guy who lived for centuries and just was trying to pass along knowledge and people twisted it?
hm |
It is one of my favorite movies. Some of the dialogue made me cringe, though. |
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| r5a |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus Summers
It is one of my favorite movies. Some of the dialogue made me cringe, though. |
i really liked it, lot more than i thought i would. sure it wasn't Oscar winning scripting but with a little suspension of disbelief you can really get into it and enjoy it for what it is.
ALTHOUGH, you are right some scenes are just too cringe worthy. like the guy hopping on his back (really?!?!) and some of the other stuff.
still solid tho. i wish i was that guy |
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| Nightfire |
If you want an answer to a question why someone doesn't believe, just ask yourself why you don't believe in the many other gods or religions that are out there and that is your answer.
What you believe is dependent on what time era you were born and where you were born. Born earlier you would believe in Zeus.
The question is why do you believe in what you believe and not something else? |
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