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Cultural globalization = Americanization of everything (pg. 7)
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jon_Snow
Too bad you're not. |
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| Psyshell |
| Itsmemario is pretty amusing sometimes; except for when he's abusing the English language like in his sig. That 's too far. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
Itsmemario is pretty amusing sometimes; except for when he's abusing the English language like in his sig. That 's too far. |
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| Psyshell |
| You shouldn't screw with The Queen's English. |
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| Chew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vector A
True or false?
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Well it depends where you are at.
First off Global Americanization is called Americanization.
globalization is a phenomenom of intercultural exchange that actually is anti-american because it has removed old american identities and replaced them with multiculturalism.
Americanization was a factor of the post WWII era up until around the 1980 when trends of globalization started in greater detail.
Before americanization there was Imperialism, and in many ways Americanization is a factor of Americanization, but it was also imperialisitic and was supplimented by the Soviet movement of the Soviet Bloc which saw some sharing among the comicon.
None the less Americanization has still continued through mechanisms such as the intenet, however globalization that has taken over in other part of the world where everything is intensified through generalized exposure to other cultures and people of other backgrounds.
The role of americanization continues to be in decline and will continue to decline. IN different regions different regional players exert cultural influence.
The fact however is that business cultures differ slightly as business has differed slightly. Still some of the biggest companies in the world are american APPLE and MICROSOFT controling the old PC market. Now it is companies like google. The so far somewhat ill fated blackberry not actually american. However there are other players. Still america is able to influence however it is falling as the world economic powerhouse soon to be surpassed by china within this decade.
It is hard to see America fighting another war due to its economic weakness with so much debt load.
The American way though only has islands but still travelling outside Canada and the US culture is still somewhat different. Product do come from the US but not all and there are products from other countries also.
That said they are not the same. America exerts some practice but everywhere in the world I have been there have been traditional practices preserved. I don't think that we talked about the Britification or the catholicization of the world. There are many imperial forces that help mold culture, but it is really the other way around. America has always been a country of Immigrants, there really is no American identity there are a bunch of different beliefs and what is acceptable today would be acceptable 50 years ago or even a hundred years ago. America is a nation not a culture. Americanization is almost entirely business culture which is in part just a evolution from earlier form of british corporation.
America is a mosaik. Americans arnt the same. They are held together by national identity and not everyone even supports that. America isn't in the business of exporting their national identity. It is business, and well it isn't supplanted except when doing business with america. America is watered down, and will continue to be. The demographics are different and increasingly so, the position of influence is fading and will continue to. Globalization is a much greater force because it is other cultures, sharing with otehr cultures not just a monocultural idea.
Now you could say America is being a client of globalization in all though there really isn't too much of that going on. Most cultures have just recognized certain benefits. American's probably arn't the first to do things they identify with whether its burgers and french fries to skyscrappers to computers. America just thinks it is their thing, but they in many cases adopted those aspects of culture due to globalization and reexported those things.
Sure there is no doubt American mega corps and global enterprises are exporting themselves, but in emerging markets those enterprises are under competition from home grown and other global competitors. America is not alone but most certainly they were a leading force in cultural exchange between 1945 and 1995 - and even into today. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chew
I don't think that we talked about the Britification or the catholicization of the world. |
So many statements that hurt my head, but this one is easily the stupidest you said.
Yes, there were NO critics of British Imperialiasm.
And there were noone who were against the Catholic church's hold on the known world. Ever heard of Martin Luther? John Calvin? Wycleff? Huss?
Shut the lol. |
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| Chew |
| quote: | Originally posted by itsamemario
So many statements that hurt my head, but this one is easily the stupidest you said.
Yes, there were NO critics of British Imperialiasm.
And there were noone who were against the Catholic church's hold on the known world. Ever heard of Martin Luther? John Calvin? Wycleff? Huss?
Shut the lol. |
Yeah that is my point. However most people tend to overlook the not so distant past - Catholization of the world is not over, there are still inroads into Africa for instance, and latin america has more catholics now than Europe. Has the British influence faltered by no means even after the breakup of the British Empire there is still BBC world service and most of the non latin american world uses british english instead of American English.
How many countries use the Imperial system of Measurement. Like the US Myanmar and what Vietnam, not even. US is adopting metric not the other way around, even if the metric system has been the only legal measurment system in the US since the constitution came into being.
Ask yourself whatis better known globally, the BBC world service or CNN?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_World_Service
Yeah that is right
| quote: | | The BBC World Service is the world's largest international broadcaster |
Just forget the 18th and 19th century.. today.. America ain't a global leader in terms of culture, it is an influence but it is not the influence, it has to invade countries to get any prestige. Lots of countries view america as the enemy not the country to idolize.
They arn't playing hero they are playing nemesis for most of the world. |
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| Psyshell |
The US does however have a massive lead in terms of the tech field. Programming languages are written in US English, US websites and apps are used far more than British ones and they're obviously written in US English. If people are going to make textbooks to learn English... well there's 5 times as many people in the US so they're probably more likely to have made them. I don't really see why the British currently have or are likely to have more influence in the world in the future. The metric system is more of a pan European (if not French originally) thing than British. There's definitely some aspects of US culture that are not spreading or are on the decline but that's no reason to instead believe Britain will take their place. The one thing that is worth noting however is that the European Union officially uses British English for official translations, but I honestly can't imagine what things are translated to in diplomatic circles will have anywhere near as much impact as all the reasons America has for it's language being more influential.
As much as I personally would rather British English become dominant I don't really see why that would happen.
| quote: | Originally posted by Chew
Just forget the 18th and 19th century.. today.. America ain't a global leader in terms of culture, it is an influence but it is not the influence, it has to invade countries to get any prestige. Lots of countries view america as the enemy not the country to idolize.
They arn't playing hero they are playing nemesis for most of the world. |
As much as I probably for the most part agree with your views... you're being very ideological and there's no way that's accurate. There's no way any other country is more influential in terms of culture. The Anglosphere constantly compares itself to Britain and America sure, but for the rest of the world they'll usually compare themselves to quite a few other countries and America on a range of subjects. Even if in a lot of instances it is in fact what not to do. That is however still a form of influence. |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
As much as I personally would rather British English become dominant I don't really see why that would happen. |
I can't imagine foreigners learning British English. This would be just too bizarre. What if they tried to learn cockney? I wouldn't Adam and Eve it. |
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| itsamemario |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
I can't imagine foreigners learning British English. This would be just too bizarre. What if they tried to learn cockney? I wouldn't Adam and Eve it. |
It's what's taught in Norwegian schools. And of course they're not teaching cockney in school, that's silly. We do Oxford English.
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| Chew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
The US does however have a massive lead in terms of the tech field. |
Not that I'm aware of, you could say they are willing to spend more money on certain types of technology and there is much more privatization of technology. For the big countries g8 etc.. there is access to technology due to the global nature of technology. The willingness for government to spend on this is what is in decline in places the the USA. A lot of money in the US is used to back somewhat trusted but older techs.
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Programming languages are written in US English |
No. Microsoft sure, but to say "programming languages" that is an awfuly broad statement. What words are American English rather than British English, I'm not sure you could say a programming language was written in any language but binary or machine code :) Sadly America didn't invent 0's and 1's the East Indians did.
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, US websites and apps are used far more than British ones |
Really? I do not agree with that. I go to BBC before CNN because it actually gives some sense of world news. What US websites do people around the world go to? Personally I can't think of a single US website I frequent anymore after I cancled my Ebay account, and Ebay has national domains.
| quote: | | If people are going to make textbooks to learn English... well there's 5 times as many people in the US so they're probably more likely to have made them. |
Nope. While there is a prevalence in Latin America for US English the rest of the world primarily uses British English for educational purposes because that is what the international English school system is based on the British International System.
| quote: | | The metric system is more of a pan European (if not French originally) thing than British. |
It is actual SI which is global but you are right the French do have a hand in it but by all means it is a global thing.
Are you American by chance? Have you travelled the world much :)
| quote: | | you're being very ideological |
How so, I consider myself a truist. |
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| Chew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psyshell
The US does however have a massive lead in terms of the tech field. |
Not that I'm aware of, you could say they are willing to spend more money on certain types of technology and there is much more privatization of technology. For the big countries g8 etc.. there is access to technology due to the global nature of technology. The willingness for government to spend on this is what is in decline in places like the USA. A lot of money in the US is used to back somewhat trusted but older techs.
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Programming languages are written in US English |
No. Microsoft sure, but to say "programming languages" that is an awfuly broad statement. What words are American English rather than British English, I'm not sure you could say a programming language was written in any language but binary or machine code :) Sadly America didn't invent 0's and 1's the East Indians did.
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, US websites and apps are used far more than British ones |
Really? I do not agree with that. I go to BBC before CNN because it actually gives some sense of world news. What US websites do people around the world go to? Personally I can't think of a single US website I frequent anymore after I cancled my Ebay account, and Ebay has national domains. Oh and Ebay was financed by Chinese Fatcats. Globally you have sites like Alibaba. Also subtract US traffic the most internetized country.. and you will notice that the traffic to American sites by non American's is actually not as big as you think.
| quote: | | If people are going to make textbooks to learn English... well there's 5 times as many people in the US so they're probably more likely to have made them. |
Nope. While there is a prevalence in Latin America for US English the rest of the world primarily uses British English for educational purposes because that is what the international English school system is based on the British International System.
| quote: | | The metric system is more of a pan European (if not French originally) thing than British. |
It is actual SI which is global but you are right the French do have a hand in it but by all means it is a global thing.
Are you American by chance? Have you travelled the world much :)
| quote: | | you're being very ideological |
How so, I consider myself a truist. |
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