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Toronto... #4 in the WORLD... more details inside...
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| dEsidEL |
wells .. a lotta us like to knock up the city when we get the chance, we might not have the greatest TRANCE parties in the world compared to our European counterparts... but many of us do realize how great a city this is to LIVE in ..
Some of you probably remembered that we ranked up there in international studies on great places to live in the World.. so in case some of you haven't checked it out already there was an recent article published in the TO Star about this ..
http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...ol=968793972154
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Vancouver tops world city survey; Toronto 4th
Organization assessed the level of hardship for expatriates in 130 cities
From Canadian Press
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Rankings of the best and worst cities of the world for expatriates, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit, with hardship rating in brackets, by percentage.
TOP 10 CITIES
1. Melbourne (1)
1. Vancouver (1)
3. Perth (2)
4. Vienna (3)
4. Toronto (3)
4. Geneva (3)
4. Zurich (3)
8. Adelaide (4)
8. Brisbane (4)
8. Sydney (4)
8. Copenhagen (4)
8. Dusseldorf (4)
8. Frankfurt (4)
8. Oslo (4)
8. Montreal (4)
BOTTOM 10
121. New Delhi (57)
122. Dakar (59)
123. Abidjan (60)
124. Mumbai (62)
125. Algiers (67)
126 Phnom Penh (70)
127 Dhaka (71)
127 Lagos (71)
129 Karachi (74)
130 Port Moresby (80)
Hardship scale:
0-20 per cent: Little or no day-to-day hardship.
21-35 per cent: Although, generally, day-to-day living is fine, some aspects of life may entail hardship.
36-50 per cent: Many aspects of day-to-day living entail hardship.
51-65 per cent: Hardship is a feature of daily life.
Over 65 per cent: Most aspects of daily life entail serious hardship.
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Vancouver and Melbourne, Australia, are the best cities in the world for expatriates to live, according to a new survey released by the Economist Intelligence Unit. Toronto is ranked fourth, in a tie with Vienna, Geneva and Zurich.
Montreal is in eighth place, and Calgary is No. 16, with the report's authors saying "there is very little hardship" for foreign business people living in Canada.
The survey was conducted by the London-based Economist Intelligence Unit, the business information arm of the Economist Group, as part of its Worldwide Cost of Living service assessing the level of hardship for expatriates in 130 cities.
The hardship rating assesses the cities by looking at 12 factors grouped in three categories: health and safety; culture and environment; and infrastructure.
The survey considers any rating over 20 per cent to represent some form of notable hardship with anything over 65 per cent entailing extreme hardship.
The highest regional average for hardship is in Africa and the Middle East, the report added. While the European Union is the best region, it says North America continues to be a good place to live.
"Despite the increased fear of terrorism and high levels of violent crime in some cities, the United States and Canada have fairly low hardship ratings thanks to a highly developed infrastructure, good education and health indicators and the widespread availability of recreational activities," the survey concluded.
"All the Canadian cities have a rating of 5 per cent or less, while the increased security threat and greater risk of crime means that U.S. cities generally fall between 10 per cent and 20 per cent."
The hardship rating for Vancouver and Melbourne is 1 per cent, for Toronto 3 per cent, for Montreal 4 per cent and for Calgary 5 per cent.
Vancouver was especially praised.
"Almost no aspect of daily life would entail hardship to the expatriate — with climate and transport infrastructure being the only factors that are not seen as ideal," the survey said.
"All Canadian cities feature highly in the rankings indicating that there is very little hardship across the country. The index is lower than the North American average of 10.6 per cent, mainly because of increased crime risks in the neighbouring U.S."
The most comfortable U.S. city is Honolulu, due to its favourable climate, good housing stock, low risk of crime and the availability of recreational activities, the report said. Honolulu ranks No.21 with a rating of 7 per cent.
"Conversely Washington entails the greatest hardship of the U.S. cities surveyed, at 19 per cent, mainly due to the increased threat of terrorism. This figure still falls below the minimum requirement for a hardship allowance (20 per cent)."
Port Moresby, capital of the Pacific country of Papua New Guinea, is the worst with a hardship rating of 80 per cent. Expatriates in the city must take extreme security precautions, the report said.
The top 10 also included Vienna, Geneva, Zurich, Sydney, Copenhagen, Frankfurt and Oslo.
In Latin America, all cities surveyed entailed some form of notable hardship, but the survey said that in the majority of cities it was not extreme enough to warrant more than a minimum adjustment for expatriates.
The best cities are San Jose, Coast Rica and San Juan, Puerto Rico — both rated at 22 per cent. The Colombian city of Bogota, ravaged by crime and civil war, is the worst with a rating of 54 per cent.
In the Middle East, all cities surveyed had a hardship rating of over 20 per cent, with eight cities rising above 50 per cent.
In Asia, key business centres such as Hong Kong, Singapore, Tokyo and Seoul all have low hardship ratings.
"However, the region is also home to cities where expatriates encounter severe hardship. Mumbai (India), Phnom Penh (Cambodia), Dhaka (Bangladesh) and Karachi (Pakistan) all have ratings of over 60 per cent because of political instability, corruption and inadequate infrastructures - as well as harsh climates," the report said. |
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| brunette |
interesting.....
here's my list:
1. Rome
2. Barcelona
3. Rio
4. Tokyo
5. Monte Carlo
6. Buenos Aires
7. Zurich tied with Milan
8. Athens
9. NYC tied with San Francisco
10. Lisbon tied with Belgrade |
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| Linx_da_cat |
| toronto ownz :) good post man. toronto will get better as the years go by, both as a city and a trance city. |
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| Durafei |
To me TO is #1.. No better city exists.
Everything is great:
* lots of great work opportunities
* great university
* multiculturalism
* relatively low crime
* great trance parties :D
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| doublemandala |
I have lived in Toronto all my life. I have traveled to some cities in the United States and once to Bueanos Aires. I find this city to be very cold, especially when it comes to meeting women. The people here are so immersed in their bubble that they think this is the way everywhere. I see fear in people's eyes. I have to say that this is the most dysfunctional city on the planet. Move here for six months and you will see. I used to think it was me, but I have talked to a lot of people (more than 100) and been vindicated many times.
Toronto is a place where the women walk around like they are special, but when you talk to them, nothing is there. Even the ones who are not attractive compared to others walk around like they are queens. Give me a break. It is so hard to meet women here that you have to be an to survive. I'm telling you, I am not making this up. The problem is that if you talk about it, you come across as some whiney loser. I've had three girlfriends, and I tell you I don't know how I met them. Blind luck. I would so dearly like to get my revenge on this bloody city and its dead-like inhabitants.
My question is, are most North American women like this? Are you all cold, calculating, money-grubbing narcissists? I know what you are going to say. The usual. But this lonely existence has pushed me so far that I am forced to debase myself and come here for answers. I am an average/good-looking guy who is a substitute teacher. But the coldness here is so great, I defy anyone (especially male) to come here and tell me a colder place.
I don't know why, but where I am from (TORONTO), the women here are F$@%^$%&$%&$% cold. I defy ANYONE to disagree with me. I am not some loser (4 girlfriends) am average looking (30 yrs)but the women here think they are all that and a bag of chips but even the "ugly" ones both inside and out are given the time of day because the men here are wimps. The price of p*(%$y is very high here. The women say one thing but do another.As a guy you have to be either an or loser. Women here do not know what it means to love or be loved. Even Marlon Brando would have a difficult time here.
But if you want a women, all you need is :MONEY. Not necessarily to spend on them, but to show that you are a good provider. Women may deny this but they are lying. Trust me.
However, this is the TRUTH about this city (TORONTO).
A spade is a spade, a rose is a rose and TORONTO women are COLD.
I DEFY anyone to come to this city and tell me otherwise.
Finally, the only saving grace is that I can leave and I will. I am going to EUROPE at the end of the month and I am going to see if other women are like this. I will keep you posted.
Did anyone ever see the movie " The Wrath of Khan "? Do you remember the final scene of Khan before he died and the Enterprise was trying to get away. When he finally detonated the Genesis device and declared his revenge with his "last breath at thee" ?
Well I would like to do this to the city of Toronto on a sociological/ideological level as one final F&%#&#%^&%#^ Y#^$%&^$%&%$& to this city.
It is death. A very subtle one.
Trust me.
You can tell me this is my fault, but I have spoken to other men and it is NOT. I am not the only one with the same thoughts/feelings.
Again, come to this city and see for yourself.
You will find that alot of men up here in Toronto are either wimps or s.
I try to be neither, but as with osmosis, the way the people are around here makes one become conditioned.
Toronto
NeXuS
posted 05-16-2002 11:59 PM
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Interesting.
I live in Toronto as well, but seeing as how I'm too young to have experience with mature women, I'll refrain from commenting on them.
I do think that this city is too bloody cold, the people here are stale and boring (except, of course, when the Leafs are in the play-offs), and our mayor Mel is, quite simply, Stupid McIdiot.
Rent's too high, our school system is in shambles, TTC fares keep going up, and if I see one more stupid skater kid I swear I'm going to kill someone.
In conclusion, I'm glad that I'm (hopefully) moving to New York in September.
Edit: Oh yeah, your comment about men being either wimps or s is dead on. That's practically no damned middle ground.
Tiziano Lariani
posted 05-17-2002 09:04 AM
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my god, do i HATE Toronto!
lived there a total of 8 months for university, then transferred back here to Milan cause i just couldn't take the climate, foood and people anymore.
You are right, toronto women are bad.
They're so superficial it leaves you dumbfounded, and contrary to appearances, they are only POLITE, but definitely not FRIENDLY.
And yes, they tend to me Narcisistic and honestly a bit domineering: i have a feeling that the "pussification" of the worldwide male population began in Canada.
I still have to meet a Canadian man who is able to give a politically incorrect statement or show a bit of balls, it is not in the Canadian tradition i believe.
Conclusion: Toronto sucks, come to Italy, the women are not easier but definitely sweeter and more feminine!
stever
posted 05-22-2002 04:15 PM
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Hey Taylor....yours is a very bitter post but I do agree with some of what you said....
I am 32 & have been in Toronto all my life....the women do have attitude here & if was not for the fact that I have a decent job & family issues here I would be off elsewhere....Toronto is a very cold & materialistic city...but I am sure other large cities are the same - New York, LA, Chicago......
Ottawa & Montreal are great cities..lots of friendly beautiful women...
Dark Nimbus
posted 05-22-2002 06:11 PM
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Damn, I'm glad to hear guys that have been living here all their lives can see this too. Being born in Europe I can clearly see the difference of living here and there. I have been living here for most of my life, but I still have a hard time getting used to the barriers the girls here put up. You're dead on about the girls being VERY materialistic, and living here is f*cking expensive. A typical night out cost me over $40, more when I take the GO up to the city.
I also tend to agree that most of the girls I've met don't have all that much going on upstairs. They're more concerned about how they're percieved from the physical stand-point then what comes out of their mouths.
I'm also noticing a greater increase of gang like mentality happening every year. Kids around here are a bunch of thugs who live in and for their cars. I just heard on the news Toronto is the number 1 city for illegal street racing now, not a big suprise to me. Funny thing is as I'm watching this I see a bunch of cops standing around checking out the cars instead of ticketing these morons.
I can't wait to finish school here and pack my bags for the states. After I make some money I'm thinking about going back to Europe where the women on average are better looking and more fun.
Good luck in Europe Taylor.
The Big Bad Wolf
posted 05-22-2002 06:36 PM
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I'm out on the East Coast, in Halifax, and the girls who come from the Toronto/Ontario area to go to college here, are exactly as you described them.
They act very uppeclass-like. I've busted a few of them down, but for the most part, they are a tremendous waste of time. I preffer women who are a little more down to earth, and not so stuck up. It must be the area, because many of my friends have said the same thing.
The Big Bad Wolf
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Fir3start3r
Taylor is right on one thing.
Toronto women can be cold.
When I used to live in Barrie and come down to the clubs in Toronto, there was always some prevasive air about them.
I have NO idea why, but they did.
Maybe I was just in the wrong clubs?
I never when to clubs looking to pick up women anyways (I never liked their attitude most of the time); I went for the music.
(Besides, I had a women most of the time)
Taylor, my suggestion would be to find a club out of the Toronto area.
They seem much friendly there for SOME reason.
For those of you friendly women Tkers; this isn't an attack on you.
It's just an observation from years of clubbing in and around the area.
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scruffy1
Taylor, I would have to agree.
Toronto women are cold, sullen faces individuals. And it is only in Toronto that I witness this.
I've had a girlfriend for almost 2 1/2 years (from Ottawa) so when I go out I'm not out to pickup... However, when I'm out partying in Toronto or even just driving down Yonge street it always strikes me as odd that the women here are such bitches, like something is owed to them or that they are better then everyone else.
Admittedly, most guys in Toronto are like that as well but the ratio of cold girls to cold guys is definitely much higher in the girls favour.
I just don't understand it. You go to Montreal and the women there are so pleasant and sexy and in Toronto they are all dark and dismissive, of everyone and look like they think that society owes them.
Can someone explain what women here in Toronto believe they have the right to be so condescending and rude to everyone??
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As for all you Torontonian apologists,
I was born here and none of you emperor without clothes hypocrits can tell me that this is a warm city,
that women are easy to meet.
If you want success, you better leave this city.
It has a low ceiling.
People here do not want success for others.
I would enjoy anyone telling me to my face that this citys women are easy to meet.
I not talking about ing them.
Just to meet.
My name is Taylor, and I am the last friendly Torontonian left who is leaving.
There is one more thing.
Meeting men in Toronto, both straight and gay is very easy.
The women here have their heads in their asses.
The sad thing is, is that in Toronto it is accepted as normal.
Forever,
Taylor |
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| itikia |
Thats one very long second post bud.
If you spent less time complaining about women and actually didn't try so hard maybe you would get lucky more often.
I hear this everyday, maybe you should stop for a second and consider that perhaps you are doing something wrong, not the women.
Believe me if they found you appealling, they would be on you like flies on sticky paper. I'm not talking about looks either.
Drop the poor atitude, Toronto is what YOU make of it. Perceiving Toronto as a bad place will make it a bad place, for yourself and no one else.
Peace,
itikia |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
here are my lists (taking into acount all the places ive been to in the world....and no its not a city list but a city/state list)
Cleanliness,Hygiene and low pollution:
1. Abu Dhabi(United Arab Emirates)
2. Al Ain (aka Garden City)(United Arab Emirates)
2. Singapore
3. Toronto
4. Hong Kong
....dont have numbers but way below the list come:
Mumbai(bombay),India
Bangkok
New Delhi(India)
Beauty(Natural and artificial)
1. mt. Abu, Rajasthan,India
2. Goa, India
3. Kashmir, India
4. Al Ain, United Arab Emirates
5. Singapore
6. Hong Kong
7. Many Parts of Germany
8. Bangkok
Technology:
1. Many parts ofGermany
2. Hong Kong
3. everywhere in United Arab Emirates
...no toronto is wayyyy backward in technology
Entertainment/Amusment Attractions/Partylife:
1. Goa, India (Parties)
2. Hong Kong (Amusment Parks etc.)
3. Holland (Parties,Ammusment Parks)
4. Toronto (Parties,City Life) |
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| bluE_Neon |
| i agree with doublemandala with the women thing, but not to that extinct. women are cold here, but wat can you do??? if you only think about women all day, thats wat u get. itikia is right, toronto is wat you make of it. but thats a different story to it as well :thepirate |
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| Dj-HordasH |
Isn’t it sad that our world class city doesn’t have one single soccer/football stadium that holds more than 5,000 ?!
Villages in Europe have better stadia than this city
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| ahlamalek |
| there's good looking women in toronto? the last time I went there the total number of good looking women could be counted on one hand... |
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| DJ El Kay Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by ahlamalek
there's good looking women in toronto? the last time I went there the total number of good looking women could be counted on one hand... |
u dontget it dude..in TO we ahve all wannabe goodlookin women....
that is our "goodlookin women"..
guys dont be decieved with all the makeup the women put on.... |
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| ahlamalek |
| i think the main reason why i didn't get to see nice ladies is because no one is walking in the streets. At night downtown is a desert concrete city which is too bad. |
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