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| scorpradio |
I have a question for you guys about sound with other speakers.
My ears are really confused, I bought a pair of Senn's HD 600's and using it with a focusrite Scar II. It's been about a month and the senn's are really starting to "open" up.
The trouble I am having is I was so used to my ty computer monitors that were hardly effective and now..I am hearing a more flat response with audio using the senn's. Now, when I listen to music that I produce through those ty speakers I am getting a much different response. It almost seems like there are some channels that are pushed back in the mix,yet...when listening to other audio devices I get a mixed response. Some good and some wtf?!
I mean..on my headphones it sounds freakin great...but any other device it just doesn't sound like I want it to
So, my questions is, how are producers out there able to make their music same the sound on any system,whether good or bad? |
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| Constantin |
| Howdy! No worries, I go trough same thing now also, will take you more then 1 month to learn your new toys, depends on how much you gonna use them. Anyway a tip I heard/read about is to check your mix on crappy sound systems too, if will sound good on those ones will pretty much sound good on everything xD. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by scorpradio
I have a question for you guys about sound with other speakers.
My ears are really confused, I bought a pair of Senn's HD 600's and using it with a focusrite Scar II. It's been about a month and the senn's are really starting to "open" up.
The trouble I am having is I was so used to my ty computer monitors that were hardly effective and now..I am hearing a more flat response with audio using the senn's. Now, when I listen to music that I produce through those ty speakers I am getting a much different response. It almost seems like there are some channels that are pushed back in the mix,yet...when listening to other audio devices I get a mixed response. Some good and some wtf?!
I mean..on my headphones it sounds freakin great...but any other device it just doesn't sound like I want it to
So, my questions is, how are producers out there able to make their music same the sound on any system,whether good or bad? |
ugh
hard to make sense of that post really. Its seems like you have a translation problem
You need to use monitors or headphones that translate well to other audio systems. To me, it doesnt really matter how monitors/headphones sound as long as they translate well
So if your sennys sound really nice or whatever, but the music sounds on most other systems then theres not much point using them imo
Either that or learn to mix on the sennys so that your music will sound good elsewhere - this could take some time |
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| cryophonik |
| Listen to reference tracks through your Sennheisers to help you "learn" how they should sound. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Listen to reference tracks through your Sennheisers to help you "learn" how they should sound. |
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| kosmotika |
| Whenever you buy high quality equipment, it'll always sound weird for a while because your ears have gotten used to the different sound yet. When I bought my Technics headphones, I was honestly thinking they sounded like crap compared to my $10 earbuds...it just takes some time for adjustment really. |
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| scorpradio |
Thanks for the replies all and great pieces of advice.
I guess my biggest concern is the same reason I ended up buying headphones. And I am in the same boat Clay...I have very thin walls in a condo/townhouse. But, the real reason I got them was an incident where I "thought" I had a solid mix down then a friend turned me on to his flat response monitors and I was utterly devastated at how horrible the mix truly was. So, I upgraded...but now it has me wondering, if I am using such highly rated headphones and my mixes still sound like on other speakers..how do I really know?
I think I am going to throw up a mix on the promo board to get some feedback on this re"mix" of a remix I did. I liked the flow of the piece and wanted to go back in and redo it. Maybe I am just adjusting..perhaps this mix is a solid one...I don't know.
At the same time, Cry does make a good point at reference tracks which I hadn't thought of. Seems like that's the next step. |
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| tehlord |
| quote: | Originally posted by scorpradio
At the same time, Cry does make a good point at reference tracks which I hadn't thought of. Seems like that's the next step. |
It would be the same deal if you bought a $5k pair of monitors and used them in a treated room.
Until you know how they respond you won't get a good mix on them. |
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| evo8 |
| quote: | Originally posted by scorpradio
Thanks for the replies all and great pieces of advice.
I guess my biggest concern is the same reason I ended up buying headphones. And I am in the same boat Clay...I have very thin walls in a condo/townhouse. But, the real reason I got them was an incident where I "thought" I had a solid mix down then a friend turned me on to his flat response monitors and I was utterly devastated at how horrible the mix truly was. So, I upgraded...but now it has me wondering, if I am using such highly rated headphones and my mixes still sound like on other speakers..how do I really know?
I think I am going to throw up a mix on the promo board to get some feedback on this re"mix" of a remix I did. I liked the flow of the piece and wanted to go back in and redo it. Maybe I am just adjusting..perhaps this mix is a solid one...I don't know.
At the same time, Cry does make a good point at reference tracks which I hadn't thought of. Seems like that's the next step. |
the trick is checking your mix on a few other sources, never just rely on one single source |
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| Mel David |
| quote: | Originally posted by scorpradio
The trouble I am having is I was so used to my ty computer monitors t |
Your ears deserve better than ty computer monitors. Bin them and forget you ever had them! |
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| scorpradio |
| quote: | Originally posted by evo8
the trick is checking your mix on a few other sources, never just rely on one single source |
That is the thing Evo, I have been doing just that. I check on my Ipod,my car,computer,friends monitors and ironically my t.v.(which oddly enough is the best resulting sound) All are producing somewhat different responses.
I guess I am just wondering what is the CORRECT way of hearing it because each outlet produces something different (or at least produces elements that are not noticeable on other sources)
Granted, the headphones are more of a flat response vs. HiFi so I naturally expect the flat response to be more...accurate |
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| DJ RANN |
This is the crux of any monitoring setup; you have a few issues.....
The first is that you have a translation issues, and by that I mean your current monitoring medium (headphones) for one reason or another* does not you make a mix that translates to other systems.
The second, and why I put the *, is either that you haven't got to know your headphones well enough or they just don't suit your personal perception of sound (you own hearing curve, how you brain works, the shape of your ears etc) to to the point where you're able to balance a mix on them which results in varied translation result.
When I say they don't suit you, I've never been able to find a pair of headphones that have enabled me to mix with complete confidence on just them alone. I know there's guys on here that can do it, but it's just never gelled with me to the point I could ever confidently rely on the mix I get.
For me headphones, have always been a secondary reference. When I have to mix on them, I basically know that I'm doing a rough mix - the stereo image isn't going to be perfect, the EQ is only going to be ballpark and the levels will need fine tuning for when I can use my monitors.
Cryo's point about using reference track you already know inside out is a stellar advice. Pick a few different things that quite varied structure, and it's always good to pick a track that has your idea aesthetic (i.e. from a producer that you love the sound of). |
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