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Has electronic dance music run its course?
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| 2techs |
After 30 years of house music, it deserves an appreciation thread and more, but the best days of all the house subgenres are clearly in the past.
People keep talking about trance in a post-trance era, acting as if producers are still producing the same same caliber of tracks that were made over a decade ago. That won't happen unless they switch back to hardware and actually write a decent lead synth ffs.
Now it's apparently the age of experimental techno and house stuff. It only sounds decent to me if it has an older vibe to it, and I'm sure that's what the producer was intending as well. If it sounds current and modern, then I'm not blasting that at home and neither am I going to attend a gig just to snooze on a couch. I won't say no names, but a lot of the tracks posted on TA are flat out uninteresting.
I'm not saying everyone in the industry should just shut it down and do something else. I'm just saying electronic dance music has come full circle with interesting ideas. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
After 30 years of house music, it deserves an appreciation thread and more, but the best days of all the house subgenres are clearly in the past. |
Why is it 'clearly' in the past? Is every amazing combination of tones already done?
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
People keep talking about trance in a post-trance era, acting as if producers are still producing the same same caliber of tracks that were made over a decade ago. That won't happen unless they switch back to hardware and actually write a decent lead synth ffs. |
How is hardware naturally better than digital?
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
Now it's apparently the age of experimental techno and house stuff. It only sounds decent to me if it has an older vibe to it, and I'm sure that's what the producer was intending as well. If it sounds current and modern, then I'm not blasting that at home and neither am I going to attend a gig just to snooze on a couch. I won't say no names, but a lot of the tracks posted on TA are flat out uninteresting. |
Well, that's certainly your opinion, but there are plenty of people who would disagree with you - and several thousands of those, at least, have somewhat good taste.
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
I'm not saying everyone in the industry should just shut it down and do something else. I'm just saying electronic dance music has come full circle with interesting ideas. |
Are you sure it's the industry and not just that no one is making electronic music that you like anymore? |
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| 2techs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Why is it 'clearly' in the past? Is every amazing combination of tones already done? |
Yes. Just because something new is being made everyday doesn't mean it's automatically progressing the industry.
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How is hardware naturally better than digital?
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the question should be flipped on digital and how it's better than hardware.
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Well, that's certainly your opinion, but there are plenty of people who would disagree with you - and several thousands of those, at least, have somewhat good taste. |
I'm aware of that.
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Are you sure it's the industry and not just that no one is making electronic music that you like anymore? |
I'm sure it's the latter. life goes on and priorities change, unless you make a serious living from being a musician. otherwise anybody who has music or EDM as the top priority in their life needs to get a life. |
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| Vida1003 |
This kinda goes with a lot of the discussion on the "why trance sucks thread". I agree with a lot of the points you make and a lot of what is coming out is boring. Uplifting especially is extremely hard for me to listen to because it all follows the same EXACT ing formula worse than any genre of any kind of music. Make an uplifting chord progression were the notes rise in octave and create the uplifting feeling in the listener, make some side riffs to lead to it along the same key/progression, use any old sample kick that sounds like everything else and make a drum loop, drop an orcestral stringpad break down and then filter in a rising 16th note arpreggio to articulate the chord progression. Listening to the Epic Trance station on D.I FM makes me want to die.
Maybe the slower electrance/progressive stuff that Armin makes and plays on ASOT is the greatest thing to ever happen to trance. I know I talk alot about other genre's a lot, especially metal because that was my first passion musically, I listen to literally everything now and follow the trends of the music.
That being said lets go ahead and look at Metal,It should have been dead in the mid- early 90's, it really should have. It had 2 directions it could have gone. Start recycling old metallica/slayer riffs and make the same stuff that has been done throughout the 80's. Or innovate, make new sub genres and fuse it with different genres. It took the high road, And we got Nu Metal (the metal equivalent of electro) which fuses with hip hop elements, And deathcore/metal core which fuses with elements of hardcore punk. The purists hate this and would rather continue to here recycled riffs from the pioneer's of the genre in the late 70's and 80's but without that change it would have died and there would be NOTHING.
the same thing is happening in EDM. Electro is the nu metal of EDM. The purists hate it but its fusing something that translates to the average music listener which would be pop in contrast to nu metal with hip hop, and they are merging that with their genres' house/trance and it is keeping it alive and relavant.The purists aren't gonna like it but whatever. The popularity of what is being played at Ultra Music Festival is the reason why there is still some kind of interest in what the underground is doing. when I started listening to metal at age 9 it was Nu metal bands like Korn that caught my interest, by 14 i was listening to obscure black and death metal. When I first started listening to EDM it was stuff like Daft Punk, eventually I ended up in obscure tech and psy and old school 90's classics.
All i'm saying is that music has to evolve to survive and you might not like it. If you don't be your own solution and make you're on music (sorry if that sounds rude it wasn't intended too). This is why I decided to learn how to produce. Who knows maybe someone on TA will set the next trend in EDM and take it into a new direction. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
Yes. Just because something new is being made everyday doesn't mean it's automatically progressing the industry. |
Surely you're trolling. This is like claiming there will be no more inventions, no more great novels, no more great films.
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
the question should be flipped on digital and how it's better than hardware. |
No it shouldn't. You said hardware is better than digital naturally, I'm asking why you made that claim.
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
life goes on and priorities change, unless you make a serious living from being a musician. otherwise anybody who has music or EDM as the top priority in their life needs to get a life. |
Okay? |
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| 2techs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
Surely you're trolling. This is like claiming there will be no more inventions, no more great novels, no more great films.
No it shouldn't. You said hardware is better than digital naturally, I'm asking why you made that claim.
Okay? |
I didn't claim that. I was only referring to house music, not inventions/novels/films.
Okay? trance was better when it was made via hardware or mostly hardware. it's just common knowledge. |
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| Lews |
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
I didn't claim that. I was only referring to house music, not inventions/novels/films. |
The logic is the same, though. You're making a bold claim that a very wide genre of music can never be surpassed. But why?
| quote: | Originally posted by 2techs
Okay? trance was better when it was made via hardware or mostly hardware. it's just common knowledge. |
Okay, that's definitely a correlation. But correlation isn't causation. That's common knowledge. |
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| theqlogic87 |
Black Midi music is the future of Electronic music! :haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=815HyiPLpRw
No, electronic music has not gone full circle, and never will! As long as innovation and creativity keeps flowing it's not going nowhere. The possibilities with electronic music are endless and 'ya know it. The only genre's that have come full circle are the acoustic genres, but electronic music? Never will. |
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| 2techs |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
The logic is the same, though. You're making a bold claim that a very wide genre of music can never be surpassed. But why?
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You're surely trolling, considering how I know first-hand that you're into hardware-produced late 90's music as well.
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Okay, that's definitely a correlation. But correlation isn't causation. That's common knowledge. |
No it's not. I had to google those terms just to see what you meant. |
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| kosmotika |
Can we PLEASE stop throwing around the word "evolve" when talking about anything trance related? Every single time we have a discussion like this, I see this word being tossed around willy nilly. Just because something new comes along that's different, doesn't mean that it's different in a good way. Evolution generally implies improvement from the predecessor.
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| 2techs |
| quote: | Originally posted by theqlogic87
Black Midi music is the future of Electronic music! :haha:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=815HyiPLpRw
No, electronic music has not gone full circle, and never will! As long as innovation and creativity keeps flowing it's not going nowhere. The possibilities with electronic music are endless and 'ya know it. The only genre's that have come full circle are the acoustic genres, but electronic music? Never will. |
I highly doubt anybody's going to make music superior to what already exists from the last 30 years in dance music. that's just my opinion. |
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| Vida1003 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kosmotika
Can we PLEASE stop throwing around the word "evolve" when talking about anything trance related? Every single time we have a discussion like this, I see this word being tossed around willy nilly. Just because something new comes along that's different, doesn't mean that it's different in a good way. Evolution generally implies improvement from the predecessor.
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Not neccesarily, evolution in the animal kingdom is what a species does to survive new challenges and environments and that's the way I mean it when talking about EDM/trance. |
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