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| mr. poopyhead |
| quote: | Originally posted by SportTrance
Crap.
Another Canadian posting an "anti-American" post.......Though you may not feel this way, posting it at all simply states something.
I've yet to see a thread started regarding America's views on Canada........why?
answer: we really dont care |
if you didn't read my post (which i'm guessing you didn't), i'll sum it up in a few words for you.
i was just saying that the racist views of a few in america are over-represented in the media (as illustrated in the letter i quoted), and its giving the rest of the country a bad image. people see america as racist and egocentric. i think your post about not giving a about canada serves to prove my point.
nowhere in my post was there anything anti-american, so let's not get all uptight. i guess my thread title is a little misleading though, sorry. |
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| XxremedyxX |
| I know you werent talking to me but i just thought i'd comment on something.... I don't see how we seem racist, but that may be because i'm American. But when you see pictures of people burning your national flag, how can you not be racist? I don't know how other countries are run and whether or not they are jealous of our country but it just sucks when people put down your country for being racist or what not, when we are just being patriotic. For example: the attacks of September 11th... they attacked us, they burned our flag, etc. That leaves us with every right to be racist or anything else, because they had no right to attack us. Again every person can have their opinion, but don't make false accusations and try to claim that we are racist when we aren't and we have reasons to hate because we are being patriotic and taking up for our country just like you would do if your country were attacked by the afghanistan people. |
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| Blik |
| quote: | Originally posted by XxremedyxX
I know you werent talking to me but i just thought i'd comment on something.... I don't see how we seem racist, but that may be because i'm American. But when you see pictures of people burning your national flag, how can you not be racist? I don't know how other countries are run and whether or not they are jealous of our country but it just sucks when people put down your country for being racist or what not, when we are just being patriotic. For example: the attacks of September 11th... they attacked us, they burned our flag, etc. That leaves us with every right to be racist or anything else, because they had no right to attack us. |
this little text clearly says to me that you really don't have a clue what the term RACIST means....
it is actually quite sad what some people are saying in this thread, read what mr poopyhead says and I think that every American agrees with what he says
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| XxremedyxX |
| You know actually, you have no clue what you are talking about. See because i know what racist means and you don't live in America, and so you can't speak for America so please, learn to respect and know what you're talking about before you go and talk . |
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| Blik |
| quote: | Originally posted by XxremedyxX
You know actually, you have no clue what you are talking about. See because i know what racist means and you don't live in America, and so you can't speak for America so please, learn to respect and know what you're talking about before you go and talk . |
you certainly ain't a racist when you don't like Arabs for burning the American flag.... That is patriottism
you are a racist when you think you are better (read: superiour) then another group of people with other believes and habits, and when you treat them that way
| quote: | Originally posted by XxremedyxX
i know what racist means and you don't live in America, and so you can't speak for America so please, learn to respect and know what you're talking about before you go and talk .
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what's your point, I have no respect because I think your explanation of the word racism is wrong?? I don't know what racism means because I am not an American?? |
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| MisterOpus1 |
Not everyone here in America is in agreement with our bad boy Texan in control. Not everyone here wants to open a can of Woopass on another country because, "afterall, they did try to kill my Dad (Bush Sr. that is)." In fact, some of us here still believe Bush wasn't truly elected to sit the White House, but have to deal with it nonetheless. Many of us are a little bit uncomfortable with his stance on this whole issue, as well as the push through Congress to get his War resolution passed right before Congressional elections. Great timing. Some of us believe that Bush's stance on many foreign issues, Iraq included, is doing nothing shy of alienating us from the rest of the world, which cripples world economy as a whole. And even a few of us believe that Bush is doing a nice job redirecting our national attention away from our domestic problems with this whole Iraq crap, thus allowing our economy (and world economy for that matter) to crumble.
I guess I simply don't trust the guy a whole lot, and I'm certainly not part of "Americal speaking with one voice" with this jerk in the office (along with his entire warmongering cabinet). I'd fight for other wars if I lived in the past- WWI, WWII, Korean, probably not Vietnam (but then again, Bush wouldn't either- joined the National Guard, then got "honorably discharged" thanks to dear old Dad). But I would never support or fight such a war when we take such an aggressive stance. This war of terrorism is not fought against countries, it is fought against groups or cells. This war is a lame-ass excuse for Bush to go after Saddam for personal reasons, and it will truly be a tragedy to have many lives lost over such a personal and unjust cause. It pains me to see the ignorance of some in my country, just because they take the word of our supposed leader as gospel. |
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| DuMonde TrAnCeR |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
this is by no means a thread to bash america... i'm not trying to stir up ... i just want people to read some of the ignorance that prevails in america today..
letters to time magazine, octover 14, 2002:
"It is revealing that most of the Lackawanna Six, accused of being al-Qaeda members, are unemployed underachievers whose loyalty to their country is ambiguous at best, given their religious extremism. Like these disaffected alleged terrorists, many people who live in the Arab world have been on the unemployment line for years. Arab jealousy of Western success and power is the root of the recent terrorism.
RICHARD L. JOHNSON
College Station, Texas"
this is exactly this kind of attitude makes people hate america. i almost pissed myself when i read this. obviously this is not the mentality of the entire nation, but it is the ignorance of a portion of the population. unfortunately, this portion of the population has a loud voice in america, a voice that is amplified 100x by their own president george w. its sad to see that america gets such a bad rap because of the stupidity of a few people (a lot of them in positions of prominence and power), shooting off their mouths. the voices of sanity in america rarely get heard. its unfortunate.
another thing, if i hear someone talk about people who "hate freedom" one more time, i'm gonna explode... nobody hates freedom. that's such a lame excuse... read the letter above and you'll see why people might be driven to attack america... and for the record, osama is a millionaire. its not poverty that drove him to a life of terrorism.
all this foolish talk of war is sending gas prices through the roof... bush needs to shut his trap.. |
u pretty muched summed it all right there ;) |
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| quddha |
Nice post MisterOpus1, its glad to see some people actually READ the original post before becoming all defensive. If anything, I would be ashamed of what some of my fellow countrymen are saying if I saw something like that printed in a Canadian magazine, instead of just shooting my mouth about "anti-american" this and that, and turning a blind eye to it all. The original post was not "whining" or "bashing" anything. If you people would put the effort into reading and comprehending what he had to say, you wouldn't come across as such idiots.
On another note, there is no justification for racism either. WTC was NOT attacked by the whole muslim people, it was attacked by terrorists who happened to be muslim extremists. And even then, your efforts should be against TERRORISTS not any particular race ie arabs. There IS a difference.
What Mr.Johnson from Texas was saying is nothing short of RACIST. And sadly, what mr_poopyhead tried to point out, is that his opinion gets published, and in a way represents the voice of alot of his fellow countrymen, whether you like it or not. And that is what the stereotypes stem from.
And if you didn't see the original point of this post, you were probably all caught up in your own patriotism to actually see the problem here, and moronically assumed that this was a "bash america" thread. |
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| XxremedyxX |
| Blik: Obviously you need to read again see because i never defined the word racism. How bout we just drop this discussion its not worth gettin into an arguement with you because i have no problem with you. So lets just leave it at that... |
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| SportTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by mr. poopyhead
if you didn't read my post (which i'm guessing you didn't), i'll sum it up in a few words for you.
i was just saying that the racist views of a few in america are over-represented in the media (as illustrated in the letter i quoted), and its giving the rest of the country a bad image. people see america as racist and egocentric. i think your post about not giving a about canada serves to prove my point.
nowhere in my post was there anything anti-american, so let's not get all uptight. i guess my thread title is a little misleading though, sorry. |
Honestly, I didn't really read any of it. All you got to do is look at the title and there ya go. When Canada and America are in the same subject on this board, gets ugly anyway.
The thing is, all you people KNOW is the media. That is it. You don't live here, you don't know our society, and you're basing your opinions on our media, what you read and hear. If you're ignorant enough to believe everything you read and see on tv, then so be it. In my opinion thats ridiculous, and way too many assumptions are made.
How you people think we are affiliated with public news, written stories, among other things, I don't know. Sure, there are people that really do represent the opinion you are stating, but do you think an american magazine/article/newscast is going to represent an "anti-american" view? Ofcourse not. Its media. Its to attract the public. If you guys believe we are actually 100% gung ho about what flashes on your tv screens, then you're just plain wrong.
Eitherway, the amount of canada vs. america posts are getting ridiculous. All I see is a bunch of Canadians crying, about this, and that, and that, and this. My whole opinion on Canada in general, is unwillingly and naturally changing everytime I see new post of some Candian whining about our form of politics, or our ethics, among other things. What you guys expect to change, I don't know. But you guys aren't exactly on the top of our "most influental" list lol |
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| mr. poopyhead |
| quote: | Originally posted by MisterOpus1
Not everyone here in America is in agreement with our bad boy Texan in control. Not everyone here wants to open a can of Woopass on another country because, "afterall, they did try to kill my Dad (Bush Sr. that is)." In fact, some of us here still believe Bush wasn't truly elected to sit the White House, but have to deal with it nonetheless. Many of us are a little bit uncomfortable with his stance on this whole issue, as well as the push through Congress to get his War resolution passed right before Congressional elections. Great timing. Some of us believe that Bush's stance on many foreign issues, Iraq included, is doing nothing shy of alienating us from the rest of the world, which cripples world economy as a whole. And even a few of us believe that Bush is doing a nice job redirecting our national attention away from our domestic problems with this whole Iraq crap, thus allowing our economy (and world economy for that matter) to crumble.
I guess I simply don't trust the guy a whole lot, and I'm certainly not part of "Americal speaking with one voice" with this jerk in the office (along with his entire warmongering cabinet). I'd fight for other wars if I lived in the past- WWI, WWII, Korean, probably not Vietnam (but then again, Bush wouldn't either- joined the National Guard, then got "honorably discharged" thanks to dear old Dad). But I would never support or fight such a war when we take such an aggressive stance. This war of terrorism is not fought against countries, it is fought against groups or cells. This war is a lame-ass excuse for Bush to go after Saddam for personal reasons, and it will truly be a tragedy to have many lives lost over such a personal and unjust cause. It pains me to see the ignorance of some in my country, just because they take the word of our supposed leader as gospel. |
nice post... this is exactly the kind of thing that needs more attention in the media, so that americans aren't portrayed as flag-waving, gun-toting lunatics. i totally agree. a war on terrorism cannot be fought against an entire country. |
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| mr. poopyhead |
| quote: | Originally posted by SportTrance
Honestly, I didn't really read any of it. All you got to do is look at the title and there ya go. When Canada and America are in the same subject on this board, gets ugly anyway.
The thing is, all you people KNOW is the media. That is it. You don't live here, you don't know our society, and you're basing your opinions on our media, what you read and hear. If you're ignorant enough to believe everything you read and see on tv, then so be it. In my opinion thats ridiculous, and way too many assumptions are made.
How you people think we are affiliated with public news, written stories, among other things, I don't know. Sure, there are people that really do represent the opinion you are stating, but do you think an american magazine/article/newscast is going to represent an "anti-american" view? Ofcourse not. Its media. Its to attract the public. If you guys believe we are actually 100% gung ho about what flashes on your tv screens, then you're just plain wrong.
Eitherway, the amount of canada vs. america posts are getting ridiculous. All I see is a bunch of Canadians crying, about this, and that, and that, and this. My whole opinion on Canada in general, is unwillingly and naturally changing everytime I see new post of some Candian whining about our form of politics, or our ethics, among other things. What you guys expect to change, I don't know. But you guys aren't exactly on the top of our "most influental" list lol |
1. how can you comment on a post that you didn't even read then?? threads like this shouldn't get ugly unless people start losing their cool and posting without reading.
2. yes. we DON'T live in america, that's why we have to rely on the MEDIA to know what's going on. obviously the media isn't always right, and no i don't believe everything i read in the media. that's what this whole thread is about. i think the american media should be more responsible in conveying an image to the rest of the world.
3. nobody said anything about canada vs. america... i happen to be canadian, and i happened to read something in a magazine that seems to give america a bad image. if anything, i'm only defending america. its not "whining" when i have facts to back it up.
"america sux ballz" <-- that's whining... if you can find any of that in any of my posts. i will delete them. |
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