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why people hate america... (pg. 8)
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| quddha |
| quote: | Originally posted by Verona^My
When you bomb countries from 10,000 feet in the air, you dont have direct view of what you are actually hitting, even smart bombs cant make corrections for faulty intelligence, dud bombs, etc. This explains a lot about why civilian casualties are on the rise.
Pre-WW2 we didn't have such long range killing devices, a lot of fighting was up close. It helps being able to see civilians to avoid killing them in the first place, so the longer range our missiles get, the less we know about who we are killing. |
And the less we care about who we are killing. Imagine back in the old days, having to stab someone with your sword. You'd think twice about who you were killing. Nowadays, we can kill people by pressing a button, and won't even have to see any blood. If we made a mistake, we just say "sorry!" and come up with excuses.
| quote: | I'll tell you why people hate America.
It's our disgusting, filthy culture we export across the world... if you watch any music video with idiots sporting gold chains and thuggin, you will understand how our culture has degraded, and why others resent us... cause we Americans are pretty pathetic in this department.
top that off with our alliance with Israel & sanctions on Iraq, and we got the whole arab world in an uproar. |
haha. Well, the second point holds more truth, but yeah, I'm sick of how Canadian music stations copycat MTV and bring that trash over here. But thats no reason to hate a nation, I think its because of the many wars the US gets into that they really don't have any business getting into. Sometimes its a good thing, WWI and WWII, even though they were kinda dragged into it. Othertimes its just plain stupid, ie sticking their foot in Vietnam, 50,000+ American soldiers, millions of vietnamese, and no one knows why. Kuwait and Kosovo were made to look like good intentions. But of course you're gonna make Serb and Iraqi enemies. Then there's the Israel thing you mentioned, of course Palestineans and their Arab allies aren't gonna like the US very much. And then there are those other military operations brushed under the carpet that no one knows about except for the few who actually follow this stuff.
The media might make you sick of US influence, and being in the spotlight gives you many many critics, but its when your mother and brother get blown apart by weapons that say "Made in the USA," backed by a nation of people chanting "USA! USA! USA!" living in their nice queit home on the ranch, watching television and driving SUV's, with kids running around saying "nuke the sonofabitches!" while you're mourning your mother and brother's death under a sky filled with war jets and bombs dropped, it is then that a TRUE hate festers inside you. Regardless of what regime you live under, and what you might have faced from your opressive leader, the fact still remains that your family was shattered, and their life was dictated by someone sitting in his comfy chair halfway across the world... you won't find them saying "Oh thank you for freeing our country, I forgive you for destroying my home and family, but at least I can enjoy all your western goods and services!"
Fortunately, I have the luxury of sitting in my university dorm in the peace of night and speculating on such issues, fortuante that my parents escaped such brutal times in brutal places, and built a safe life for me in the western world. |
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| MisterOpus1 |
So now we've received news that war plans are in the making, and that invasion into Iraq is pretty much ineviteable if they balk one more time at weapons inspections.
...sigh...
And now we hear that N. Korea (a.k.a. "axis of evil"- Christ I hate that statement!) has been developing nuclear weapons, and severs ties with the Clinton 1994 treaty. I truly believe that there couldn't have been better news for Bush's posse and the Pentagon. There's so many targets for those trigger-happy kids now, they just don't know what to do with themselves. Hold down Mr. Happy with one hand, while pulling the trigger with the other perhaps.
God just needs to just torch this place and walk away. Then again, we might just beat him to it......... |
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| XxremedyxX |
I'm sorry that some of ya'll see America that way. I have never known a person in my life say "us Americans are better." However i have seen Europeans say that Europe is better than America. Personally i don't give a rats ass. I have nothing to complain about because i have a good life and it doesn't matter to me which country is "better." I do wish that people wouldn't see Americans as stuck up people who think we are better than everyone. It must be only a few people who think that "we Americans are better" because again i have never known someone who has said that.
Its all good though bc i'm not like that and i'm far from stuck up. I usually get along with most people but oh well... Just stop trying to see us Americans in that way
Peace,
Tommy |
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| JPJH |
| quote: | Originally posted by ProDiGaL
I was speaking in general, I have friends from a just about every country in the world, and nothing saddens me more when they hate each other simple because of history, or parental brainwashing that they are greater.
Maybe I just dont see the sense in being proud of something that you had little to no part of, what if you were born somewhere else? |
patriotic simply states ones love for their country..what happened on september 11 is more than enough reasons for any american to feel patriotic..imo.. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by JohnSmith
At the beginning of the twentieth century between 85 and 90 percent of war deaths were military. By WWII over half of all war deaths were civilians, including deaths camps, massacres, and bombing raids on cities. At the end of the twentieh centry, about 3 quarters of war deaths are civillians.
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It's because wars nowadays often encompass non-military objectives. What was one of the main objectives of Germany in WW2? To exterminate the Jews. The Germans actually gave priority of rail transportation to the death camps over supplying their wn fighting troops. What does this statistic not mention? The multitude of wars in third world countries that oftentimes incorporate some kind of religious or racial idealogoly. The massacres in Rwanda resulted in the deaths of over 1 million civilians. So to try to apply this statistic to modern "civilized" warfare is ludicrous. Yes the US bombings in Afghanistan resulted in civlian deaths. But the days of carpet bombing and indescriminate attacks among civilized nations are over. There are simply to many repurcussions among the media to make sucha campaign feasible. So to say that the US inflicted casualties in Afghanistan were 3/4 civilans is ridiculous. |
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| ABTsportsline |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
It's because wars nowadays often encompass non-military objectives. What was one of the main objectives of Germany in WW2? To exterminate the Jews. The Germans actually gave priority of rail transportation to the death camps over supplying their wn fighting troops. What does this statistic not mention? The multitude of wars in third world countries that oftentimes incorporate some kind of religious or racial idealogoly. The massacres in Rwanda resulted in the deaths of over 1 million civilians. So to try to apply this statistic to modern "civilized" warfare is ludicrous. Yes the US bombings in Afghanistan resulted in civlian deaths. But the days of carpet bombing and indescriminate attacks among civilized nations are over. There are simply to many repurcussions among the media to make sucha campaign feasible. So to say that the US inflicted casualties in Afghanistan were 3/4 civilans is ridiculous. |
niiiiiicccceeeee! :) |
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| JohnSmith |
| quote: | Originally posted by ABTsportsline
the way we fight wars is far greater than we used to... there are no ground wars anymore, everything is air strikes... maybe a few SEALs go in and take out snipers, but its all air force now... WWII and WWI saw huge ground wars, wars of attrition, where you run out of your foxhole into fire... hence the high casualties on the military side - nowadays there are few casualties military side b/c there isn't much of a ground war anymore - the stats have changed b/c war has changed. |
I shudder to hear you say that that we fight wars in a "greater" way..
I disagree that it's greater at all.
I think it's better having soldier in foxholes and ditches, at least the people who want to fight. it's better than aerial bombings where more innocent people die.
there are many more points i could make, but it's a waste of time.
for now, i am just listening to this,
http://stream.realimpact.net/rihurl...spin20021011.rm |
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| Verona^My |
| quote: | Originally posted by XxremedyxX
I'm sorry that some of ya'll see America that way. I have never known a person in my life say "us Americans are better." However i have seen Europeans say that Europe is better than America. Personally i don't give a rats ass. I have nothing to complain about because i have a good life and it doesn't matter to me which country is "better." I do wish that people wouldn't see Americans as stuck up people who think we are better than everyone. It must be only a few people who think that "we Americans are better" because again i have never known someone who has said that.
Its all good though bc i'm not like that and i'm far from stuck up. I usually get along with most people but oh well... Just stop trying to see us Americans in that way
Peace,
Tommy |
I agree... I never thought Americans are better, nor know any of that thought. Europeans on the other hand have this smugness about them that just rubs me the wrong way. They think they're better than everyone else, especially the French. |
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| Busy Child |
| quote: | Originally posted by SportTrance
Crap.
Another Canadian posting an "anti-American" post.......Though you may not feel this way, posting it at all simply states something.
I've yet to see a thread started regarding America's views on Canada........why?
answer: we really dont care |
My, what a great post :) |
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| mndeg |
the food dropping was all propoganda for CNN and NBC
they did it so they could make americans feel better about themselves make them think they as a country are good people (because they dropped food)
gee gee ignorance |
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| trancedfarmer |
i think i live in a region that some call "america".... but i dont know what the that is... im not american!
to be honest... i do have problems with this "country's" nightmareish polocies and practices... luckily i have a it attitude and i recognized long ago the untiy of mankind and the crazy ing downward spiral that this ty world is in...( not a pessimist, just a ed up philosopher...) |
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| InsomnEac |
| quote: | Originally posted by SportTrance
Eitherway, the amount of canada vs. america posts are getting ridiculous. All I see is a bunch of Canadians crying, about this, and that, and that, and this. My whole opinion on Canada in general, is unwillingly and naturally changing everytime I see new post of some Candian whining about our form of politics, or our ethics, among other things. What you guys expect to change, I don't know. But you guys aren't exactly on the top of our "most influental" list lol |
hmmmmm...
1. Is there not some obvious degree of correlation between a person's choice to post in an "anti-American" thread, and their views regarding America?
2. Do you have any idea how many Canadians visit these boards? To get a quick idea, check out these regional forums: Toronto/Southern Ontario, Montreal, Western Canada.
3. Do the Canadians on Tranceaddict accurately represent the entire Canadian population?
Assuming you make rational and logical conclusions, the basis for your change in opinions/views concerning Canada seems to be flawed and ill-founded. If you disagree, check out an introductory statistics text and familiarize yourself with "selection bias"... |
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