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Do you guys still submit tracks to labels? (pg. 2)
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| meriter |
| haven't checked out all of those but I can tell you first hand tunecore is a total scam, like fractions of a cent per sale |
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| Seandroid |
Depressingly, a humongous number of the labels I'd like to submit to don't accept demos anymore, or have some bull demo pool system, which:
1. Is ignored by them
2. Requires you to make the tracks public
So I have this massive pile of unreleased content that I don't know what to do with. It's too solid for me to release it with tiny mediocre labels where nobody will ever see it, but giving it away for free hasn't really been getting me the exposure I'd like.
I don't really know where to go from here. |
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| Seandroid |
| quote: | Originally posted by sonix
Instead of giving it away for free, how about meanwhile sell it on your own, using any of the distributors above. That makes the tracks public and you can then send them out to labels that require them to be made public. 2 birds with 1 stone and you might make some money while you wait for the labels to sign them and you might gain some fans too from the pre-release distribution. |
I've read that a lot of labels will refuse to sign anything that's ever been public. And was told that by the label that released my first EP. |
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| MSZ |
Subscription based pay model to exclusive personable content is the way to go right now imo. The current platforms put there are lacking foundation and for lack of a better term platform. Buying single tracks and albums s not enough(the latter will yield more btw) and that is more than apparent. People have the money to spend it on you, but the transaction is dilutedp and broken. I'm sure there is a lot of law involvedep making most of this seem impossible. Sorry for typos on phone. :disbelief
Tldr I'm gay but no homo. |
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| Excess |
yaa i still release most of my stuff through labels, anything that doesn't make the cut i go the free route if i still feel its up to scratch.
| quote: | Originally posted by meriter
Anyone here start their own label and have any insight into distribution? There's a great interview with Rob Garza from thievery corporation where he talks about landing a distribution deal where they made a load of money (like hundreds of thousands) from their first album but that was back in the 90's when people still bought music |
i have a label and as mentioned earlier you share a piece of everything with everyone so its unlikely anyone is making a ton of money from digital distribution these days.
| quote: | Originally posted by Seandroid
I've read that a lot of labels will refuse to sign anything that's ever been public. And was told that by the label that released my first EP. |
i wouldnt say this is concrete, just a general rule of thumb: if you've already released the track and promoted it there's little sense in doing the same thing unless the label is substantially larger than your personal reach - in the cases of a lot of mid tier record labels this is counter-intuitive for what would be a mutually beneficial relationship: you release on the label, the label gets some attention from your fans and vice versa. there are definitely cases in which i've seen smaller releases get licensed for re-release through bigger labels though so it's not out of the question
| quote: | Originally posted by MSZ
Subscription based pay model to exclusive personable content is the way to go right now imo. The current platforms put there are lacking foundation and for lack of a better term platform. Buying single tracks and albums s not enough(the latter will yield more btw) and that is more than apparent. People have the money to spend it on you, but the transaction is dilutedp and broken. I'm sure there is a lot of law involvedep making most of this seem impossible. Sorry for typos on phone. :disbelief
Tldr I'm gay but no homo. |
i agree, for bigger artists though. for smaller guys, subscription based model is entirely out of the question: not enough pull to be sustainable, not enough resources to make it work, not enough content to keep it entertaining. sure, deadmau5 can pull it off but that's because he's already made a sustainable living from it otherwise and spends enough hours in his studio to run a live stream that people can tune into and justify paying their monthly fee to him ;p |
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| MSZ |
| I agree but I still think there ate avenues not fully explored or utilized in a proper manner by portals such as YouTube and soundcloud. I also agree that music kind of gets a bumwrap when people are looking for a immersive entertainment package but I still have some ideas that I think people could get behind given some momentum and luck. It requires investment and little payoffs to start for sure. |
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| evo8 |
| i used to send demos to djs/labels on soundcloud but it never appeared that ever even got 1 single play so i havent bothered in a while |
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| Mr.Mystery |
Seeing how oversaturated the market is, getting signed is hardly a dream these days, as pretty much anyone can get a track released these days into the vast abyss of Beatport where nobody will ever stumble upon it.
It would have to be a truly exceptional deal for me to even consider it, and that just isn't happening. |
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| Storyteller |
Reviewing demos is resource intensive. All labels I talked to during Amsterdam Dance Event say reviewing everything takes too much time and they usually only take on referrals from already signed artists or artists they've heard of before.
Without turning it into a lame sales ploy: I have developed a service that solves the workload or reviewing demos for the most part. I see competitors developing similar products now too (but are inferior ;) ). The labels that use my product respond to pretty much every demo coming in within a week or two. Some consistently reply within 48 hrs.
Putting demos on public voting pages to filter out the best is wrong on so many levels. The only thing it does is drive label exposure because people push friends there to vote. The exposure is achieved but with the wrong intention and usually the artist won't get signed. The ones on top have the most friends willing to help, not the most talent. Submitting a demo should always be a private matter in my opinion.
For me a label is only valuable if I like their music/way of working/attitude. I personally don't even expect payments anymore. Just a tad of exposure and a shared love for similar music is fine. I don't like pushing my own stuff even though I have everything in place to do so. Pushing music I love but made by others is a lot easier :), starting january 26th ;) |
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| MSZ |
This can be you! |
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| Storyteller |
| You're forgetting my ego offset +4! |
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| Trancelover03591 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Reviewing demos is resource intensive. All labels I talked to during Amsterdam Dance Event say reviewing everything takes too much time and they usually only take on referrals from already signed artists or artists they've heard of before.
Without turning it into a lame sales ploy: I have developed a service that solves the workload or reviewing demos for the most part. I see competitors developing similar products now too (but are inferior ;) ). The labels that use my product respond to pretty much every demo coming in within a week or two. Some consistently reply within 48 hrs.
Putting demos on public voting pages to filter out the best is wrong on so many levels. The only thing it does is drive label exposure because people push friends there to vote. The exposure is achieved but with the wrong intention and usually the artist won't get signed. The ones on top have the most friends willing to help, not the most talent. Submitting a demo should always be a private matter in my opinion.
For me a label is only valuable if I like their music/way of working/attitude. I personally don't even expect payments anymore. Just a tad of exposure and a shared love for similar music is fine. I don't like pushing my own stuff even though I have everything in place to do so. Pushing music I love but made by others is a lot easier :), starting january 26th ;) |
I think I know one of the labels that uses your program and they are excellent about checking demos. They even tell you when the demo isn't for them and I can see the demo got played on SC. |
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