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| Woony |
Just saw this. The is he doing? ty bland bigroom techno, incredibly sloppy mixing on CDJs, downright embarassing 'tricks' and fx use that would make a 15 year bedroom DJ old cringe.
I listened to some of his EMs earlier this week and while his mixing has never been good at least he played good records and didn't rape everything with awful Pioneer fx back then. |
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| Kilixpree |
the crowd is like "omg this is so deep" WTFFFF
really bad
or i'm just too imature to enjoy this.
@29min mark... wattttt |
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| SYSTEM-J |
He does around far too much. I saw him back in March and he was pretty disappointing, the tunes were pretty average and there were far too many choppy jarring fader moves that just weren't conducive to dancing. We get it Dave, you used to be a hip-hop turntablist. Can I dance now?
With that said, I'm actually enjoying this Boiler Room set. It's got my chair rave going. Again, way too many stutters and jarring fader flicking, but I like this style of techno mixing where the DJ throws everything and the kitchen sink in and dices it all into pieces on the way. Sounds like he's having fun.
EDIT: Oh , and LFO at the end. That settles it. Sorry Woony, you're completely wrong on this one. |
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| Woony |
How can I be 'completely' wrong when you even are agreeing that he s around too much? I don't mind the style per se but for a professional DJ it's just embarassingly executed.
Regarding the music, there's the odd good track (ie. LFO) in there but most of it is just mediocre to me. But then again, we've had an argument about this style of bigroom techno before. |
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| Woony |
To make a point I guess, this what excellent fast paced techno mixing sounds to me. He's not perfect either but he also plays records and has up to 3 tracks running at the same time. Effects and tracks are used more sparingly but well. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
How can I be 'completely' wrong when you even are agreeing that he s around too much? I don't mind the style per se but for a professional DJ it's just embarassingly executed. |
I wasn't being entirely literal, but I don't agree that this set is embarrassing, particularly sloppy or ty and bland. It's a bit rough around the edges but this kind of set almost always is. I can accept the odd drifting beat in a 40 minute spell when the DJ is literally bringing in a new track every 120 seconds or so. The problem when I saw him play out is that he wasn't being this adventurous. It was more a more conventional two hour club set and the ing around was just distracting, whereas this set is shorter and more explosive.
To be honest I don't really have a clue what unites all the "big room techno" you rail against. I don't think the stuff he's playing here sounds much like the stuff I played in my mix, and yet the second track in that DVS1 set you've linked sounds a hell of a lot like the Axel Karakasis track I used. Consider me baffled. |
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| Chimney |
| ing about with the fader while high-fiving someone in the crowd :stongue: this guy got style. |
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| Woony |
Maybe we just have different ears but I don't see how these two sound alike at all except that they are more percussion based DJ tracks. The production and the aesthetic are completely different. The Synewave track has very 90s production and features a sparse and more laid back static loop. The Karakasis track has very polished digital production, a chugging modern bigroom bassline, a bunch of fx and numerous filter breakdowns.
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| Woony |
| For the record, even though i'm generally a big 90s Synewave fan, that track is a bit boring to me aswell but it doesn't make me roll my eyes like that Karakasis track. I've said it before, that modern drumcode sound just sounds cheap and boring to me. It's nothing but drums and fx, which granted a lot of techno is, but in that style it's just super exaggerated. The bigger problem I guess is that Djs that play that sound tend to play nothing but it. Like in that DVS1 set, the very next track he plays is super deep and he continues to change styles multiple times over the next 30 minutes, a 'bigroom' DJ will most likely play more of the same for the next 2 hours to the point where you think he's literally playing the same track all night long (i've had that happen when seing Cari Lekebusch) |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
Maybe we just have different ears but I don't see how these two sound alike at all except that they are more percussion based DJ tracks. The production and the aesthetic are completely different. The Synewave track has very 90s production and features a sparse and more laid back static loop. The Karakasis track has very polished digital production, a chugging modern bigroom bassline, a bunch of fx and numerous filter breakdowns. |
But I don't see how any of this makes one track "bland" and the other not. Both tracks are basically just a bassline, a plonky synth vamp and a couple of perc loops. The production aesthetic is different but in terms of the actual music going on, I don't hear much difference.
And in terms of your second post, can you really apply any of that to this Dave Clarke set? Yes he might play some "big room techno" but he plays a hell of a lot of other as well and takes it up and back down, speeds it up and reels it back in. You really can't accuse that set of just being the same track from start to finish. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Woony
The production and the aesthetic are completely different. The Synewave track has very 90s production and features a sparse and more laid back static loop. The Karakasis track has very polished digital production, a chugging modern bigroom bassline, a bunch of fx and numerous filter breakdowns. |
This just goes back to the hardware/analog vs. digital/software debate. Moreover, modern recording techniques are different than those of the 90's. The older stuff sounds more dirty and raw generally because the tracks are not separated during recording, whereas most modern stuff is, hence the more polished product. Every instrument is individually processed and eq'd digitally, whereas in the older stuff everything just goes through the hardware mixer. I'm pretty sure that's how it is, anyway.
It seems like most modern productions are more concerned with how each individual sound is processed, rather than how all the sounds work together as a whole. Of course there are productions where both processes are taken into consideration, but I think most of the boring and bland stuff you hear is about getting each instrument to sound all polished and clean, rather than focus on how the sounds bounce off of each other and work together. It's more about getting it "right," rather than experimentation and "happy accidents."
Both tracks may be bland, sure, but because the 2nd one you posted sounds more "perfect," it's far less appealing to your aesthetic sensibilities and has less of a "feeling" than the 1st one. |
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| Guest |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
He does around far too much. I saw him back in March and he was pretty disappointing, the tunes were pretty average and there were far too many choppy jarring fader moves that just weren't conducive to dancing. We get it Dave, you used to be a hip-hop turntablist. Can I dance now?
With that said, I'm actually enjoying this Boiler Room set. It's got my chair rave going. Again, way too many stutters and jarring fader flicking, but I like this style of techno mixing where the DJ throws everything and the kitchen sink in and dices it all into pieces on the way. Sounds like he's having fun.
EDIT: Oh , and LFO at the end. That settles it. Sorry Woony, you're completely wrong on this one. |
You went from hater to lover in the time it takes to make one post :) |
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