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Marco V Combinations Album - From a era when dance music was still Awesome!
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| Rjen |
(Thanks to AlphaStarred I finally knew where to post this :) )
I don't know how many of you know the first Marco V Combinations Album. But in my opinion it is one of the best albums of electronic dance music of all times. It was released in 2004 and contains 3 CD's. Back then it was very normal for DJ's to play several genres. And even dough Marco V is best known for his Trance stuff. He actually was also a great Techno DJ and producer. And this is the Marco V that I liked most. The first two CD's Are trance but number 3 is mainly Techno. And it has some of the greatest Techno songs of all time. A lot of you already know that I also make music videos. And I actually made a music video for every song that is on CD3 of this album. It really took many months and months to make. And it is one of the biggest projects I ever did.
CD3 contains 14 songs. First I made one video for every song separately. Until I got 14 music videos. And then I connected all of them so they would create one big movie. And if you like you can choose to watch the entire movie or songs/videos separately. The videos get more spectacular with every song. Just like every song gets more spectacular on the Album. I hope that there are people that appreciate this Album and Marco V as much as I do. And will Appreciate the many, many, weeks, months, hours I invested to create it. Naturally any thoughts you like to share about Marco V or the album or the Era in which it was released, or the videos, or perhaps you would just like to share how your farts smell. Any comment is much appreciated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgS...ZcXF2xs&index=1 |
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| AlphaStarred |
I haven't listened to his stuff in ages, but I do remember hearing Echoes at a club in Korea and that break just tore the roof off:
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
number 3 is mainly Techno. And it has some of the greatest Techno songs of all time. |
I dunno about all that. :p
| quote: | | Naturally any thoughts you like to share about Marco V or the album or the Era in which it was released, or the videos, or perhaps you would just like to share how your farts smell. Any comment is much appreciated. |
I'll try and check out your videos tomorrow, but the era (2004) was when EDM was taking a turn for the worse. Trance was dying out, Techno was generally crap, acid was virtually non-existent, etc. Seems like most of the tracks on the mixed compilation (not album) are from 2003, however, some of which were definitely discussed - and praised - here. |
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| Kilixpree |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
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STORMER.
first heard in a random wow movie looool, fits so ing well.
yeah marco v was the
i feel like i really need to check thix compilation tt |
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| AY STAR |
old school marco v was the . his style was amazing
not sure what he does now? edm? |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
etc. Seems like most of the tracks on the mixed compilation (not album) are from 2003, however, some of which were definitely discussed - and praised - here. |
I also think that the best stuff was from 2000 till 2003
There is even a explanation for it. Before the year 2000 almost everything was done with expensive hardware stuff because computers where not heavy enough to do the stuff what samplers could. And everything was done with real synths and drum computers. But this kind of hardware was extremely expensive. So if you wanted to make dance music. You really needed to be extremely committed if you wanted to be able to do this. Not only was it expensive it was also far more difficult to operate. So in general producer needed to invest more time and more money to make Electronic dance music. And there where only a curtain amount of people that where really that committed. In 2000 all of this changed with the Pentium computer. Because now anybody could start making Electronic dance music. But it took 3 or 4 years before this new wave of bedroom producers started to really appear (they had to learn the software the software had to be improved and so on) But in those 4 years we where blessed. because this small elite producers that where mega committed to begin with. Now could all of a sudden started using computers. Combine that with there analogue stuff. and do 10x more because of computer software. After 4 years the lazy less committed bedroom producer started to catch up. But the real tragedy started when vinyl started to disappear. Back when there was vinyl A record label had to invest money to print vinyl. That meant that they really had high demands on what they released. Today anybody can start a record label. And you don't have to invest anything because the distributor just get a small percentage of everything what is being sold. This means 100x more record labels. With many that don't have high demands. because even if you sell not many songs. you don't really lose money either. But I also believe that there is still great stuff out there. You just need to go a lot of crap first. But there are still producers that are just as committed as the oldschool guys. You just need to find them. |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by AY STAR
old school marco v was the . his style was amazing
not sure what he does now? edm? |
Marco V today is a giant tragedy. Just like all the other big trance DJ's. Everybody started to make elektro house. Marco V, Sander van Doorn, Tiesto. This is type of genre what sells and most switched to that sound because of it. A big part has to do with the American market. In the US EDM was generally not even as close as being big as it is In Europe. This started to change the last couple of years. And Elektro house proved to be the most popular. THe US of course is a far bigger market place then Europe. So that also means far more money. The entire industry started to change. Famous producers started to use ghost producers. (guys that are hired to make music for them and then they put there own names on it saying they where the ones that made it) That way these producers don't have to make music any more. And could just focus on DJ Gigs. (the ghost producer gets a small percentage in return) The result is that many of the top paid DJ's in the world. Don't even make there own music any more. I could go on and on. The entire industry has gone down the tubes. This is what Marco V creates today. And it is the same crap that Armin van Buuren makes and Tiesto. http://www.beatport.com/track/jagua...nal-mix/5354416 well technically what there ghost producers makes. But I believe that Marco still creates his own music. But he is on the other hand the ghost producer for his son. Who is also a DJ. Like said. The industry has gone crazy. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
But this kind of hardware was extremely expensive. |
Actually hardware used to be far cheaper than it is today. Just 5 or 6 years ago I bought a 909 for around $1200, now they sell for over $2000. In the 90s, not only were they far cheaper, but could also have been found in pawn shops for next to nothing.
| quote: | | Back when there was vinyl A record label had to invest money to print vinyl. That meant that they really had high demands on what they released. Today anybody can start a record label. And you don't have to invest anything because the distributor just get a small percentage of everything what is being sold. This means 100x more record labels. With many that don't have high demands. because even if you sell not many songs. you don't really lose money either. |
This is completely untrue. It costs about $1000 or more to print at least 100 vinyls, and most labels today are lucky if they even break even. They obviously do it for the love of music, not to make a profit. A friend of mine started Phase Distortion Records back in 2011 - with a rather well-known 90's artist - and I'm not even sure he made half the money he put into it. Usually the only way to make a profit (perhaps only a small one, too) is to sell virtually all the copies you pressed - something which doesn't happen often nowadays, either, unless it's a famous label/producer. |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Actually hardware used to be far cheaper than it is today. Just 5 or 6 years ago I bought a 909 for around $1200, now they sell for over $2000. In the 90s, not only were they far cheaper, but could also have been found in pawn shops for next to nothing.
This is completely untrue. It costs about $1000 or more to print at least 100 vinyls, and most labels today are lucky if they even break even. They obviously do it for the love of music, not to make a profit. A friend of mine started Phase Distortion Records back in 2011 - with a rather well-known 90's artist - and I'm not even sure he made half the money he put into it. Usually the only way to make a profit (perhaps only a small one, too) is to sell virtually all the copies you pressed - something which doesn't happen often nowadays, either, unless it's a famous label/producer. |
Ok then my source of information is in correct. this is what I have read. I don't know what other expensive other labels had. But I do know that it doesn't cost money to bring your songs on beatport. But Like I said I don't know what other expensive they have. But if this is true. Then I really don't know why there is so much crap of music today.
And it is logical that hardware was cheaper then because a lot more people bought. But a computer is always cheaper. so that part of the story still stands. |
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| Rjen |
| quote: | Originally posted by AlphaStarred
Actually hardware used to be far cheaper than it is today. Just 5 or 6 years ago I bought a 909 for around $1200, now they sell for over $2000. In the 90s, not only were they far cheaper, but could also have been found in pawn shops for next to nothing.
This is completely untrue. It costs about $1000 or more to print at least 100 vinyls, and most labels today are lucky if they even break even. They obviously do it for the love of music, not to make a profit. A friend of mine started Phase Distortion Records back in 2011 - with a rather well-known 90's artist - and I'm not even sure he made half the money he put into it. Usually the only way to make a profit (perhaps only a small one, too) is to sell virtually all the copies you pressed - something which doesn't happen often nowadays, either, unless it's a famous label/producer. |
Btw I never got paid by any record label. This goes for the big ones as well as the small ones. I never received one single dime. And I know I sold songs. But I do know that producers got paid when vinyl was still around. So maybe this is how record labels still manage not to lose money. They just don't pay there artist. Haha. Or at least the ones that I worked with. Because I do know I sold a amount of songs. |
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| Rjen |
| But I do like to hear peoples opinions about why there is so much crappy music today? what changed? because my theory about record labels doesn't seem to be true. So I would like to hear somebody else theory's if they have any? And I also would like to hear a explanation then why there are 100x more record labels if it is not because of money. Because this is the only logical explanation I had. Because if it is really harder to start a record label. Then why are there 100 times more of them? Theory's anybody? |
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| Kilixpree |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
But I do like to hear peoples opinions about why there is so much crappy music today? what changed? because my theory about record labels doesn't seem to be true. So I would like to hear somebody else theory's if they have any? And I also would like to hear a explanation then why there are 100x more record labels if it is not because of money. Because this is the only logical explanation I had. Because if it is really harder to start a record label. Then why are there 100 times more of them? Theory's anybody? |
electronic music turned really mainstream with all this 'easy-to-listen-to' (i.e: childish). Even a baby can listen to this avicii stuff, really. animals by martin garrix? super mario theme is a lot harder and mature, really. So, when my parents listen to electronic music these days they don't think that looks like a portal to an druggy world. just ty music. Exactly the opposite of the older stuff. Looks all this guys in old tresor movies, loool
maybe i said a lot of bull, but is my perspective. |
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| AlphaStarred |
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
But I do know that it doesn't cost money to bring your songs on beatport. But Like I said I don't know what other expensive they have. But if this is true. Then I really don't know why there is so much crap of music today. |
You've just answered your own question. There is lots of crap out there because it doesn't cost a penny to release digital mp3s. Anyone could make their own netlabel and release mp3s without incurring any cost. With a record label, it's quite the contrary, which is why music put on vinyl is often better than the countless mp3s released each day.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
Btw I never got paid by any record label. This goes for the big ones as well as the small ones. I never received one single dime. And I know I sold songs. |
That's unfortunate. From what I was told, unless you're in the Beatport Top 10, there isn't much profit to be made by releasing mp3s, anyway. Although labels should indeed pay you if they make a profit from your productions.
| quote: | | But I do know that producers got paid when vinyl was still around. So maybe this is how record labels still manage not to lose money. They just don't pay there artist. Haha. Or at least the ones that I worked with. Because I do know I sold a amount of songs. |
Vinyl is still around, in fact the vinyl market has seen somewhat of a resurgence these last 2 or 3 years. Producers sometimes get paid when they release their own EP, whereas an EP of various artists will usually just get the individual artist on it a certain amount of copies.
As I've already mentioned, whether or not the artist gets paid for the vinyl may be irrelevant. It still usually costs at least $1,000 to press 100 or more records, so if the copies don't sell out, the label owner may not even break even. Again, many label owners today don't put out vinyl to make a profit, but rather for the love of it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Rjen
But I do like to hear peoples opinions about why there is so much crappy music today? what changed? |
Again, you've already answered your own question. Because it usually doesn't cost a cent to release mp3s, anyone and everyone can do it, so the market is saturated with the works of bedroom producers, good and bad. As for vinyls, there have always been good and bad ones, so nothing's really changed. |
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