Originally posted by Spacey Orange
ing hell thats brutal
I actually think it's worse than the cops in LA.
Spacey Orange
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Originally posted by Big Worm
I actually think it's worse than the cops in LA.
I really can't argue with you there. I guess that's what you get when your power-hungry cops lead insulated lives. Every different person is a threat.
Floorfiller
the Alabama police thing is messed up. I don't see anyone resisting. I get the sweep to take them down, but it doesn't look like they needed to do that move in that scenario. i could see that being more necessary in a violent struggle. They could've just wrestled that dude without the face plant.
the main video i'm a little more conflicted over. if the dude reached for and took the policeman's gun then i understand the reaction. whether you agree with them drawing their guns in the first place or not. you grab a cops gun in that scenario and to me that is no different than pointing a gun at a police officer.
Innocence Lost
I remember vivid saying this before cops shoot to kill, not one shot on the arm to sub due or on the leg. I wanna know Whats basically going on behind this idiotic idea.
Lews
Because it's basically impossible to shoot someone who is moving in the arm or leg. It is much safer for everyone involved (especially bystanders) to put a shot into the core.
Looney4Clooney
AMaking a distinction that a firearm is lethal weapon accentuatea the risk and makes it less likely to be used. Sort of how they argue how owning a gun is more dangerous for the owner. The second a gun is involved, gets real and to soften that relationship would probably make police think they are actors in a western. I would say gun culture in the USA is part of the reason this relationship is not as strong as it is in other countries hence all the shootings. I doubt they are worse people.
Apparently one of the guys had a chest cam. I doubt the officer wanted to murder anyone. I just find it amazing that the possibility of dropping a gun or not knowing how to apprehend someone knowing and preparing that having someone use your weapon is always a possibility. It seems like they really should be trained better. If this was an isolated incident...
Also in the usa, shooting someone in the arm is a guaranteed lawsuit. A gun requires a certain level of threat to require deadly force. Any lawyer could easily argue someone not being killed as negligence.
DJ RANN
First off, I know the street where this happened - I often have to buy supplies from a place on the next corner and believe me when I say it's ing ghetto, probably one of the roughest places I've ever been to. I mean looks like an apocalyptic film set on a good day. It's right off skid row and there's crack heads lying in the street, beaten up hookers, dealers everywhere and literally blood on the street some days.
When I first saw that vid, it looked like the cops just downed an unarmed guy, but if you look closely, or and at the other camera recordings, it's apparent there may be more to it.
According the LAPD cheif who held a press concerernece yesterday, they state the audio at one point sound like the officer is saying "he's got my gun, he's got my gun". They then blew up a still of a frame where the victim apparently is touching the officer's holstered gun. I couldn't really see it myself, but the audio does sound something like that.
Here's the still (not my hand obviously). The pinky is apparently showing the moment the victim has his hand on the officer's sidearm.
They also showed a close of the gun afterwards, and it apparently has a bullet lodged sideways in the chamber, jammed but poking out of the ejection port. They are saying that happens when someone tries to pull the trigger but due to the gun being holstered, the slide is impeded and the bullet wedges in the port.
While I'm no apologizer for the police who are too often, too heavy handed, and seem to be shooting waaaaay to many peopl these days, but one thing I will say, is that cops in that area have it really tough and it's ing dangerous.
Weirdly, it's about one street away from where Zac Effron (the actor) and his bodyguard ran out of gas in their escalade. No one really knows what they were doing there and why they "ran out of gas" but they were both attacked within minutes and beaten so badly that Zac had to have his broken jaw (3 places) wired shut and his body guard spent weeks in hospital.
Looney4Clooney
Those particular anal beads are now sold online. surely the bulk discount isn't worth the hassle.
I find it amazing that someone of questionable recognizance can withstand tazing, clubs amd still manage to remain collected to intentionally strategize a counter attack by grabbimg a holstered weapon. They are trained to expect someone to go for the side arm. So how this man managed to do what he apparently did seems a little surreal. The perceived threat might be real in the officers mind but I can't help question the sort of training they get that woukd lead to this. Amd again, this happens so often.
This is just another anecdote that is just adding to the pattern that happens too often.
TranceElevation
Americans. Let them kill each other. I don't care. It's their gun loving society.
sensorium
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
You think that given the nature of the problem, they could of de escalated the situation without any violence? A person being tazed will usually not be in control and spasm. The circumstances are not known. Unarmed man, 9 officers. The fact a gun is used to me shows that either they need to re evaluate their procedures or send someone to jail.
Again, it is based on the circumstances.
The officer, it seems, did not secure his weapon after briefly taking it out. That's why, however the person managed to do it, once there was contact with the weapon, the officer had to let the others know.
While it is true the four officers, not nine, had to do everything in their power to control the situation as safely as possible, the victim was not cooperating at all and became a major threat by trying and making contact with the officer's weapon.
The preparation of police officers is an issue though. I think I have commented on this in the past here. For the work they are to do, and specially in places like skid row, I think police officers are not given enough preparation/training and there aren't really that many requirements candidates have to meet to enter training.
Dykes_on_Jay
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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
Those particular anal beads are now sold online. surely the bulk discount isn't worth the hassle.
I find it amazing that someone of questionable recognizance can withstand tazing, clubs amd still manage to remain collected to intentionally strategize a counter attack by grabbimg a holstered weapon. They are trained to expect someone to go for the side arm. So how this man managed to do what he apparently did seems a little surreal. The perceived threat might be real in the officers mind but I can't help question the sort of training they get that woukd lead to this. Amd again, this happens so often.
This is just another anecdote that is just adding to the pattern that happens too often.
The human survival instinct is one hell of a thing.
