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Friday 190: Is anyone aside from the same 3 people ever gonna start a Friday thread?? (pg. 4)
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| Lira |
Friday 182 was posted by Zak McKracken, and I can't for the life of me understand why it's in the deleted threads bin.
I'm bringing it back from the dead because it may have been an accident.
Edit: I can't. Only Swamper and Chinamon can. |
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| Sushipunk |
| Palm just likes deleting his threads, lol. He does it all the time. |
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| LoveHate |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Being in the industry, its location specific (like my town is a .NET shop but other cities may be Java/PHP etc), but you basically have to decide which end you want to work on. Front end - the styling, CSS, webpage delivery stack. Or the back end - data feeds, services, API's etc. I started as a back end guy but now I'm pretty much full stack (both front and back) but while it's good for my resume I'd rather do back end. Either way, web development is in demand and whether you are a DevOps guy or a JavaScript dude you will find work for sure. |
| quote: | Originally posted by JEO
Do you have any experience in the field? If you don't, please, start with an education, and intern as often as you can. At least that's how it worked out for me. I've worked a pretty wide spectrum of things after starting uni, starting from basic web design and UI stuff, trying really corporate stuff which even included learning programming languages/techniques that were developed in the company itself (don't ever get stuck in like that), to end up a "full-stack" dev at a medium-sized company, which IMO is what you wanna aim for for a good mixture of stability and freedom to be able to affect things and make some meaningful decisions regarding your work. I got into uni, interned the first three summers, and got a properly paid job on my fourth year; ditched school as soon as I could after that. My advice: don't write a thesis if you've got a job already, unless your boss/company is super supportive about it. It's not worth anything in the end, unless you're onto something a bit more cutting-edge, like deep learning or the sorts (in which case you're probably gonna want to pursue more education or a career in academia). School's just a way to make connections, show some money-holding idiot you're into the industry and willing to whore your time to them for a pathetic rate (in the beginning). That doesn't mean you can't get tremendous benefits from going to school: there are courses that alone are worth a lot. More important than that though, at least for me, was knowing what the companies around here were looking for, as they communicate directly with our unis, basically telling them what knowledge or skills people that graduated from our uni lack. What you've worked on professionally (even interning) is what you're gonna show all your future employers when applying for new jobs, not your thesis, not your graduation papers or whatever. According to my interviewers, not one of my failed job interviews have been because of not finishing my school and thesis, but because of lack of experience in the tech they were working on.
It's gonna be a lot of work, but it's an industry that will for sure employ you if you keep at it, and at least here, it's an industry that is in constant need of new workforce, year after year, through crests and troughs. Start now, and five years from now you'll look at your current self and wonder what the was that buffoon thinking of not learning this stuff already.
But.. A fair word of warning: unless you're really interested in the field, prepare yourself for a lot of pain and frustration, a field that feels insurmountable to grasp as a whole; but it can be your first programming course that sets your mind ablaze for it. Being a truly valuable employee in this field is much like in any other: you need years of experience, good communication skills, but added, a fairly good brain too on top of some topics from CS. With that being said, you can get interesting internships and jobs with very little to no experience too, especially if there's an abundance of relevant employers in your area. Immerse yourself into it and it can really grab a hold of you, if you let it. I'm turning 30 soon, been in this field for over a decade now, and still, almost every day when I come home from work, I dabble in my freetime programming projects just because it's so interesting and creative. The best thing about it: if you're able to keep it interesting at work, you'll be working your favorite hobby as your dayjob.
Wishing you lots of luck with your current job and your endeavours in general! |
appreciate the responses , and to be honest i have little to no experience, other than watching a few youtube videos and stuff, i am someone who has done very little with his life, i been battling depression and mental health issues , but i want to turn over a new leaf, and take control of things, tired of indulging in self pity, i see myself as like kevin hart in that movie "night school" in the sense that im going to take another crack at education, even though it didn't go right the first time around, i understand its not going to happen overnight , but atleast for once i might be headed in the right direction, so we'll see how it goes, ill keep you guys updated. |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| Good luck. I'm confident going back to school will be a panacea for your general unhappiness. |
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| planetaryplayer |
| quote: | Originally posted by LoveHate
appreciate the responses , and to be honest i have little to no experience, other than watching a few youtube videos and stuff, i am someone who has done very little with his life, i been battling depression and mental health issues , but i want to turn over a new leaf, and take control of things, tired of indulging in self pity, i see myself as like kevin hart in that movie "night school" in the sense that im going to take another crack at education, even though it didn't go right the first time around, i understand its not going to happen overnight , but atleast for once i might be headed in the right direction, so we'll see how it goes, ill keep you guys updated. |
out of my 9 different personas my happiest one is the land shark. i recommend you get a makeover and turn yourself into a raccoon- rummaging through garbage would be like winning the lottery |
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| JEO |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Good luck. I'm confident going back to school will be a panacea for your general unhappiness. |
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| Silky Johnson |
| Depression really is depressing. . |
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| Lira |
Since there's some actually top quality tips in this thread, let me get this opportunity to ask a few things:| quote: | | quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
Either way, web development is in demand and whether you are a DevOps guy or a JavaScript dude you will find work for sure. |
| quote: | Originally posted by JEO
It's gonna be a lot of work, but it's an industry that will for sure employ you if you keep at it, and at least here, it's an industry that is in constant need of new workforce, year after year, through crests and troughs. |
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It's about my bro.
He's got the education, he's got the job (front-end designer/developer who occasionally has to give back-end programmers a hand, and been doing that for 8 years or so), and he wants to emigrate to France, the US or somewhere exotic like Germany. And, yet, he seems to have some difficulty finding opportunities in these countries. Have you guys got any tips I could give him? |
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| ziptnf |
There are headhunters everywhere in the US, not sure about Europe etc, but lots of companies have contracts with headhunters where they do the legwork to find you a job that fits your skillset. I don't know how they handle people currently immigrating/green card situations, but I think he could give that a shot and get placed either as a contractor or as a salaried employee.
Also, is he hitting up some of the major corps? Hit a corporate page and they should have a Careers section in the bottom. He should apply to as many as he can; Apple, Amazon, Google, Spotify, etc etc etc. |
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| Jon_Snow |
| Stay away from the headhunters in Africa... |
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| Lira |
| quote: | Originally posted by ziptnf
There are headhunters everywhere in the US, not sure about Europe etc, but lots of companies have contracts with headhunters where they do the legwork to find you a job that fits your skillset. I don't know how they handle people currently immigrating/green card situations, but I think he could give that a shot and get placed either as a contractor or as a salaried employee.
Also, is he hitting up some of the major corps? Hit a corporate page and they should have a Careers section in the bottom. He should apply to as many as he can; Apple, Amazon, Google, Spotify, etc etc etc. |
I know for a fact he was headhunted by Apple a couple of years ago, and he got some amazing feedback along the lines of "close but no cigar, please work on X, Y, and Z". But, they contacted him, rather than the other way around. Not sure if he's contacted these corporations, but given how shy and introverted he is, I guess not. Maybe I should tell him to be more proactive or something.
We usually tell him he should put his portfolio online... Does it really change anything? Either way, I'll forward him your tips, thanks! :)
| quote: | Originally posted by Jon_Snow
Stay away from the headhunters in Africa... |
Hopefully, the only ivory poachers can take from my family are the piano keys :D |
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| Jon_Snow |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lira
Since there's some actually top quality tips in this thread, let me get this opportunity to ask a few things:
It's about my bro.
He's got the education, he's got the job (front-end designer/developer who occasionally has to give back-end programmers a hand, and been doing that for 8 years or so), and he wants to emigrate to France, the US or somewhere exotic like Germany. And, yet, he seems to have some difficulty finding opportunities in these countries. Have you guys got any tips I could give him? |
The short answer it’s difficult. The usa caps h1b 85,000 which sounds like a lot but a quarter of million apply. Trump is also working to further limit it.
The only time it makes sense for employers to go through the extra hassle and expense is when they can’t find enough qualified candidates. I think it’s easier to get an education visa to experience another culture.
While it might sound exciting I think it’s a bit of the grass is greener on the other side. After the novelty wears off, being separated from your friends and family he’ll want to return home. It’s one thing vacationing abroad and quite another working and living permanently.
https://www.wbur.org/bostonomix/201...1b-visas-debate |
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