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Exploration of mastering (pg. 2)
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| Pjotr G |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj dimwit
First of all, I make all my tracks with Fruity.
When I make a track, I put a Parametric Eq on the master fx channel and select the 'remove 20hz + 16khz+' preset, which will remove the part of the sound which our ears can't hear, but our headphones have problems with :) |
Ok there goes the "spark" in your track out of the window. The part below 20hz I can understand, but cutting everything about 16 khz???? noooo |
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| Vortex_SA |
| quote: | | I don't think it's smart to add compression to the whole mix while you are making the song, but on the other hand adding compression to individual parts can be a smart move. |
i put compression on the whole mix when im working on a track to get an overview of the mix, it helps me mix and master better, and compressing individual instruments is a crucial thing BTW...
| quote: | | 2) If you mixed, don't master, after long mixing sessions, you're to intimate with the song, and you won't be able to have a general overview... |
thats so true!
| quote: | | 5) Don't master to 0 dB, rather to -0.1 dB, as some cheap cd players will distort @ 0 dB. |
i dont really care bout this, if they r cheap theyll distort any other music as well...
| quote: | | Listening overcompressed / limited mixes for too long can be painfull to the ears. |
that depands on the level u listen to it...
any way, everyone masters different then the other, so its a personal thing and not every one work the same way, if they would it will all sound the same, so develope ur own style... |
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| dj dimwit |
| quote: | | Ok there goes the "spark" in your track out of the window. The part below 20hz I can understand, but cutting everything about 16 khz???? noooo |
| quote: | | make sure you eq your samples/synths/bass right. fe you dont need those high frequencies in bass or drum. remove it. with eq you should remove ALL the frequencies your sound doesn't use from ALL your samples.. |
:conf: Which one of you is right? I always thought that the part above 16 khz could be removed to, why else would this preset be in Fruity? Ms_Bug seems to think that too..... But I know Pjotr is an experienced man :), so what should I do? I could try to keep the high frequencies...maybe it works. More tips? |
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| Pjotr G |
| I'm not saying the other quote is wrong. there's nothing wrong with cleaning your hihats up from any "mud" that doesn't belong in it (i.e. low frequencies). But as far as I know the human ear is capable to pick up frequencies from 20hz to 20khz. And even then, cutting things the human ear can't hear can very well change the sound of the total mix. |
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| dj dimwit |
i didn't say that you said the other quote was wrong :)
But what shoudl i do? Keep the freqs or remove them? Seems that the guys here have different opinions about this... |
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| Pjotr G |
| not necessarily. The one doesn't exclude the other. You can filter out high stuff from a bassline for example if you feel it's unneeded there. And you can still let the high end untouched for leads and hihats etc. |
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| Trancevision |
Hi people !
best thing is to compare your track with professional ones using a spectral analyzer. So you can often recognize at once, what frequencies are missing or too much.
For example, nearly all club tunes have the hight above 16Khz cut strongly because in a discotheque these high frequencies are bad ( and annoying ) for your ears...
Next hint: It is difficult to get something real loud if it contains much low unaudible frequencies -> so you better compresss the bassline and bassdrum separetly from the rest of your track...
Trancevision |
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| ms_bug |
| quote: | Originally posted by Pjotr G
there's nothing wrong with cleaning your hihats up from any "mud" that doesn't belong in it (i.e. low frequencies). |
that is true, but if you dont cut those frequencies, you can end up with muddy mix and you will be unable to do anything with it even with pro mastering software.
if you have good speakers (headphones are even better) you can really hear what frequencies dont belong to your mix and cut them).
i am not saying that you should cut the frequency area of the entire mix, just make sure to alter your sample to fit the song.
and again, you are true about how the cutting affects the final result. the sad thing is that many producers (including me) cant think of how to fill their mixes with right sounds. you know that little sounds in background or some really deep noise or something like that... if you dont figure that out and put too much eq on your samples, you CAN end up with mix which sounds realy empty...
trancevision> yeah i allways compress my drum and bass apart from the entire mix... that is the best way to do it.
peace
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| Floorfiller |
ok how aout this....
when i'm trying to get the sounds the way that i want i use effects and sometimes eq and compression. should i wait until i finish the track to make these changes and make them later or should i make them as i go?? oh and as far as the frequencies people can hear... i agree with Pjotr thats what i was always lead to believe. |
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| ms_bug |
well, first you should get your bass & drum done and then move to the rest. you can do it the way you want, it's really not important. i usually eq as i add a new sample, and change it later if it needs adjusting.
compression. how do u use it? do u put it on anything besides bass, drum, and sometimes main lead?? what are the results? |
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| Trancevision |
Hi people !
perhaps we should make this sticky thread...we all need mastering skills if we want quality to send out to the labels...
what programms do you use for mastering...
a) T-Racks
b) Ozone
c) other ...?
Trancevision |
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