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Intel vs. AMD (pg. 3)
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| drizzt81 |
My AXP 2100+ is running at 2280MHz right now. Air cooled
and I have not yet touched the multiplier, I have just o/c'd the bus.
Yes, intel's CPU's are currently more overclockable, since they were designed with multi-GHz in mind from the beginning, but in order to do this, Intel produced an INCREDIBLY looooooong pipeline, which does pretty much NOTHING in each step.
anyway, in the end, it matters what counts for you. |
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| jonsimmonds |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
My AXP 2100+ is running at 2280MHz right now. Air cooled
and I have not yet touched the multiplier, I have just o/c'd the bus.
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niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee what voltage that running at? and dont you have to do some carefull work on the cpu before you can change the multiplyer? |
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| r00tman |
| Mikey, get an Intel... Stable, reliable... you can't go wrong! :toothless |
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| KoreanDJ |
i dont know anything about computers but INTEL is better than AMD
Stevek |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one
Aite, someone give me the straight goods... none of this "it depends" crap ;)
I'm about to get a PC upgrade, but I need to know which chip I should invest in... cost is not an issue :D |
If you didnt already know, AMD clock their products in the factory, meaning AMD 2.0GHZ = 1.67 core processor speed.
Intel 2.0GHZ = 2.0GHZ core processor speed
AMD's are cheaper, go with those. |
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| quddha |
I have a Intel P4-2.4B. overclocked to 2.7, without increasing the voltage, air cooled, stable as a rock. Also, don't skimp on your motherboard and ram, as that also makes a big difference.
Saying that your computer runs faster than your friends doesn't mean much. It could be your friend is running a ty chipset, or your friend doesn't defrag his harddrive. Or your friend has a bunch of spyware hogging up memory.
Always research before you buy (reliable sources), and get the one that suits your practical uses.
http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20021216/p4_41-20.html
Alot of people are biased because of what they bought, and will refuse to say they spent alot of money on an inferior product, and will say it ROCKS cuz they have it and they like it. :P |
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| fantom |
| quote: | Originally posted by da_MynDLesS_one
I'm about to get a PC upgrade, but I need to know which chip I should invest in... cost is not an issue :D |
e, I didn't notice that the "cost is not an issue" in your post... in that case, go with the fastest P4 chip on the market (and make sure you invest the money in other components like motherboard, RAM, Hard Drive - go with SCSI if you can, because it won't matter which processor you get if the rest of the hardware is garbage). |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| if you want to get a fast cheap proc. amd is better for your money.. in the sense better is faster.. Although all my friends run amd systems and so do i, and they all have the newere AXP tbred a's (the ty model amd produced a BUNCH of and cant get rid of) and they are as unstable as hell, one of my mates has a cheapo waterblock sys on his proc and it still bsod's (hes got an A7N mobo).. basically if you get an amd stay away from the TBRED a revisions they are ass.. be 100% positive your getting a TBRED B .. much less problems the surface area is bigger and they reduced power consumption by like 15% (cooling is a BIG problem with TBRED A and they OC like ) if you want a fast proc and you know a little about puters go with a 1.8 NW p4.. 3ghz overclocks common with them... but i doubt you know much bout puters if you wanna know whats better |
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| SuperFarStucker |
if cost is not an issue, by all means go with a p4... if i were you i would wait about a month and a half though, amd is releasing their A64's very soon which appear to be very very formidable processors (and intel is also expected to release their prescott p4 line soon.. which is supposed to be "the " also).... right now is a bad time to buy a pc imho..
before anyone says 'they get outdated anyways' yeah, but product cycles come around about once every 6 months or so depending on the company, so its better if you want your technology to be on top to buy when a new product cycle is released :-) as you can bet they will only scale up in speeds for the next 6 montsh (and probably not much)... |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| quote: | Originally posted by fantom
e, I didn't notice that the "cost is not an issue" in your post... in that case, go with the fastest P4 chip on the market (and make sure you invest the money in other components like motherboard, RAM, Hard Drive - go with SCSI if you can, because it won't matter which processor you get if the rest of the hardware is garbage). |
its a common myth that scsi hard drives are worth their cost in home pcs.. unless you are chopping up raw wave data (and not even then really) or editing video then scsi is 1000% unnecessary and you wont notice a speed up hardly at all (except maybe in loading times, but program performance wont change a smidge..).. important PC components vary depending on what you want your pc to do, but processor is down there a bit on the list...
#1 which may or may not be obvious is a good motherboard, ever had a pc that blows ass and gets tons of bluescreens or what not, or just randomly turns off? more than likely your chipset (which is packaged witha motherboard and is non - interchangable) is or you have cooling or power issues...
#2 storage, make sure you get reliable fast, efficient storage.. scsi will do you wonders as far as reliability and speed but its somewhere in the range of two or threefold more expensive for good scsi hardware.. get a reliable fast ata 100 drive and youll be good
#3 output devices if you like to listen to music off your pc or play video games these are important.. get a good video card and a good sound card, especially if your into sound invest in a good sound card.. do NOT get consumer sound cards.. they blow ass, do a little bit of net research and you can find out what the goods are.. :-) get a nice monitor too.. its worth it!
#4 your memory architecture tends to play a very big role in your pc's speed and responsiveness even more then your processor after a certain point.. thus its obviously important to invest in some good memory go for at least pc2700 ram :-)
#5 processor.. not really that important unless you are
a. editing raw wave data
b. video editing
c. number crunching..
unfortunately after about 1ghz processors stop increasing speed of apps for the most part in any sort of linear equation at all, after 2ghz the change is almost insignificant (and isnt likely to change soon as the processor's role in games and such has been reduced to next to nothing and most people dont number crunch or such)
#6 input devices - a nice keyboard and mouse make a hell of a lot of a difference in the enjoyability and ease of using a pc... get something thats nice and convienent...
everything else i havent mentioned (cd-rws, dvd drives NIC's, modems etc) arent that much different from each other and if you get something thats decently priced you will be fine.. |
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| PointyDC |
| quote: | Originally posted by drizzt81
Intel produced an INCREDIBLY looooooong pipeline, which does pretty much NOTHING in each step.
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Yea what Intel have done with the P4, is instead of using a 10 stage pipeline like the AMD and the P1, P2, P3..they've used a 20 stage pipeline. This allows Intel to hit much larger clock speeds, as its the clock speed that most customers look at.
Problems with the 20 stage pipeline include that there's more chance of a miss calculation, and if the Intel screws an instruction up, it has to go further back through the pipeline to start over again..making each mess up a costly one. The reason AMD's on P4's clock to clock is that the AMD has a higher IPC (instructions per clock). Theoretically, a P3 1ghz is faster than a P4 1ghz. But as P4's hit the higher clock speeds (3ghz n beyond) this will be balanced out.
One reason that you should buy one of the new P4's is their new Hyper Threading technology that they're incorporating into the new chips. Basically this means the CPU manages two different tasks at the same time which is in a word great.
I have an AMD AthlonXP 1800+ and it's been great and would strongly recommend AMD chips, but if you do have the extra money to spend, go one of the faster P4's as they are better. |
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| SuperFarStucker |
| what you arent saying about the 10 vs 20 pipeline comparison is that its practically necessary to increase the pipeline length as clock cycles go up.. the efficiency trade off isnt as bad as one might expect. What matters is the 3.04 ghz p4s right now wipe the floor with amds latest mediocre offering (AXP 2800+???)... clawhammer could change this tune though.. |
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