|
The Sound of innovation
|
View this Thread in Original format
| Trancevision |
Hi people !
it is the time of defining new sounds:
I think I am not only me who is bored by the heavy use of the JP8000supersaw and wannabe-supersaws, who is tired of sounds trying to imitate the style of tiesto, ferry, scot project, rank1 ...
Wherever I download new mp3z, always the same sounds...
I wonder if some of you can create some really innovative sounds, that have never been heard in this way, they might sound weird and completly different :
e.g. completly maniac changed supersaws, phat acid leads, transformed nature instruments to synth style, reversed guitar samples with awesome fx, heavilty distorted pulse waves, ...whatever...
feel free to create the sound of the future...:gsmile:...and show us your demo.mp3 ;-)
Trancevision |
|
|
| robstar |
No, you'r not alone.
I'm also fedup with that sound. That's one of the reasons I havnt finished many tunes lately.
U can't just make a simple Supersaw melody and add a couple of string on top and leave it at that. Cuz there's allready thousands of tunes like that.
So what I'm struggling with atm is to come up with something new and Exciting. And that's kinda hard IMO. |
|
|
| DJ-Fuq |
| I know what u mean. Its like nothing sounds pro till a pro does it. |
|
|
| Floorfiller |
| Trancevision...I can tell that you are looking to take music to the next level...all of the threads that you post are usually geared in that direction...and to tell you the truth...that's what I want to do too. I mean, I can't just settle for a typical trance song...it's got to be utterly perfect and thats why i haven't had any real releases to date. Its all about the next level of sound. Innovation, creativity, etc. |
|
|
| Etherium |
| This is my aim as well. To make sounds into poetry. All that stuff I saw in that BT quote about the soul being the oscillator etc. It might sound cheesy on a superficial level but I agree. I get so sick of popular music and they way people think words alone can capture human emotion. My friends that dislike trance always ask me why I like songs without words and I ask them why do they like songs with them. "Oops, I did it again." "Hit me baby one more time." Aaargh, those songs just get so old and frustrating. I've never really liked popular music that much. I remember growing up watching movies with epic soundtracks, and I recall the chill I would get when one of the tracks reached crescendo. I thought, I would love to make music this moving. Think about how much emotion would be sucked from a movie and from life without music. This is what I want. I want my tracks to have the pathos of a great, inspiring soundtrack fused with the ethereal beats of electronica. As for the individual sounds and creating totally original sonic masterpieces, it is very challenging. It will probably take a lot of reading, a lot of experimenting, and some great synths. But maybe if we all band together and provide each other with some great ideas and inspiration, we can transcend the use of the prosaic supersaw and explore a new realm of trance soundscapes. |
|
|
| Trancevision |
| quote: | | we can transcend the use of the prosaic supersaw and explore a new realm of trance soundscapes |
sounds good to me...
| quote: | | Its all about the next level of sound. Innovation, creativity, etc. |
I remember those sounds, which have heavily influenced trance:
the pizzicatto sound of Faithless-Insomnia, the fat arp sound of system f and Barbers Adagio, the Rank 1 - Airwave lead and maybe the Cosmic Gate lead of "The Drums".
For me, these were sounds, which have defined EuroTrance in the last years...
I don't think that there's anyone here who got a really genious idea of the next upcoming leadsound ( and sometimes I think the pros don't either )
but I think we all should experiment with complety weird beats and really different sounds, making combinations of sounds that never have been combinated before in this way, ... we all should just have courage to create and present sounds far from common ways and commercial productions:
e.g. completly maniac changed supersaws, phat acid leads, transformed nature instruments to synth style, reversed guitar samples with awesome fx, heavilty distorted pulse waves, ...whatever...
feel free to create the sound of the future...:gsmile:
Trancevision |
|
|
| Vizay |
and suddenly I realize why I think all my tracks are so dull and ordinary...I'm stuck in the pattern where I think that if it doesn't sound like the pros do it it's not good...
we are the future pioneers of trance...let's make it into the trance we want it to be :cool: :gsmile: |
|
|
| Taz |
Good for ALL of you! Right after my own heart.
| quote: | | I want my tracks to have the pathos of a great, inspiring soundtrack fused with the ethereal beats of electronica. |
In other words, you GET IT. ;) Now that you get it, break it down, think in terms of the foundations, and use your own means to get there.
As for what the next big lead sound is...liquid drum'n'bass (or trance'n'bass as some call it) should give you some clues, along with whatever other genres are holding sway, particularly electro.
The appeal of that supersaw is in its ability to fill the ears with a fat, sweet fuzz. Future productions will achieve that end with stronger, more defined sounds than we have now; perhaps with a dirtier, punchier edge.
But more important than what instruments we use is what end we aim for as we tweak sounds, compose melodies and assemble drum parts.
In the late 90's, everyone had that gooey, filtered 'Microsoft TV Commercial' sound in their heads, and they were still trying to capture the trippy lethargy of the slacker generation. A couple of years later everyone was laughing about 80s grandstanding and bloating up their tracks with reverb, compression and big leads.
Now what? No one knows, 'cause we're right in the middle of it. Best we can do is avail ourselves of new technology and keep our ears open. And watch the news. ;) |
|
|
| NicklessGuy |
Great thread, Trancevision.
I think it traduces perfectly one of the biggest frustration for us newcoming producers.
I dont exactly "hate" the supersaws or common leads, i just think its being overused and most songs r entirely based on them. They can be used creatively or moderately like the Marco V Mix of Cygnus' Superstring.
Most of the songs uses samples that reminds real instruments under FX, nothing wrong with that, but for a matter of personal opinion, i want to make songs that dont sound like well known instruments, i want them to sound just eletronic, something new for the ears. Harder to be assimilated by most people, unfortunately, but i think it can be balanced with the known sounds to give diferent feeling to the songs.
Sometimes we get struck with the ideia of it having to be something completely overworked and full of FX, but thats not exactly necessary. Sometimes a cool sound comes from the most common ways, but used and combined creatively. Thoso of u who know the song Tilt - I Dream, know exactly what im talking about. That extremely simple sinlge square wav lead became wonderful in the sequence and the context of that song.
It helps to think on a main theme or kind of "eletronic context" and base your samples on that feel, so everything shares some sonic properties that gets them together :)
At the moment, im focused on trying to get these creative elements into the beat and the rhythm, juz cuz i think rhythm is pretty much the coolest part of e-music, and everybody spends all energy on new leads and samples and forgets to give new boosts to the rhythm. Listen to the first song of the Jon O' Bir set available in the livesets section of this site to see what im talking about, ah, and by the way, this song uses a very common sample in the middle too, but it just sounds cool in the context of the song :D
A proof that new concepts of use for old sounds can revitalize them into new ways.
Trancevision, that lead u sent me traduces exactly all this feeling, u should show that to the people here :D |
|
|
| mantisnl |
another great thread from trancevision;)
i`m gonna make some samples of innovative sounds soon.. coz i`m pretty tired with those sounds used over and over again.
producers like airbase make great, innovative tracks imo.. they really sound "new" to me, and thats great!
grtz,
mantis |
|
|
| moog_baby |
| wouldnt a good start be to simply make some good tunes..regardless of weather you 'invent' new spounds..is anyone actually making anything decent? |
|
|
| NicklessGuy |
| Of course most of us can do cool songs just basing everything in all that formulaic recent stuff, they r all the same, anyway... But i bet thats exactly what most of us r trying to avoid, to spend lots of time doing a technicaly perfect song that is a clone of many others, better spend more time researching diferent, or at least unusual feelings to the song, so each of us has at least some unique talents. |
|
|
|
|
