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| `pr0digy |
| quote: | Originally posted by chesco
For a start they make most nike stuff which is probably the largest clothes wear company the western world has. so before you go go pissing on chinas parade why don't you yanks start looking at yourselfs instead of always pretending you are somebody. cos lets face it your not g-money. |
| quote: | | And his comment about china is way way out of order. who the does he think he is. |
First off, your being hypocritical. He can't generalize about China, but you can generalize about us "yanks" ? So both of you are wrong.
Now that we have that sorted, why don't you both just get back on topic. |
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| Dj Thy |
For christ sake, some people are touchy in here.
Ever heard about personal opinions?
Saying x or y mixer is the best of the world is both true and false. True for you maybe, but not for everyone else... Think about it. When you state something, especially on internet forums, try to nuance your opinions a little bit (and I'm talking to both sides of the argument going on here).
Fact, Pioneer DJM series are good mixers. They are not the best in my personal opinion. Sound quality isn't on par with the big boys, but you must agree you get one complete package in one box. You get a very hands on mixer (in my view you can safely say the DJM500/600 layout is about the most standard you can find, for line faders at least), and it's definately one or two leagues higher than Gemini and consorts. So, for your use it can be the best, and everything you'll even need. Doesn't mean that applies for other people.
Saying rotaries suck is the same. Why the hell do they use so much rotaries in US house clubs then (might I remind you they are loved for the fact you can do smooth mixes on them)? They might suck for you, so that means they suck for everybody else?
I don't like rotaries that much either, as I like to do fast(er) cutting too. And my mixes are smooth enough with line faders I think. But I respect the fact rotaries exist, and that for some styles they are very good.
I own a Xone:62 myself, and I'm very happy with it, I've tried and tested a load of other mixers before I took my decision, and I don't regret it one bit yet. Sure, not everything is what I want, but I guess that's with all mixers. The perfect mixer would be one I designed myself... To answer to the question, why buy such stuff for personal use (ok I admit, my Xone gets used in clubs and big pa's sometimes, but still). And the answer is as simple as can be : I wanted the best I could get, and I could afford it. Why buy a Ferrari or any car, or even a bike? You can walk too can't you? Some people have higher standards than others, respect that please.
You see, asking a question about what to buy is pretty dangerous, as you won't get much OBJECTIVE questions. Most people will say this sucks because : either they don't have it themselves/can't afford it, or find it sucks for personal reasons.
To be as objective as possible : between the Xone:62 and the Rane MP2016, if you're playing in that league, it mainly comes down to preference. Both have great sound, and saying this or that mixer has better sound quality is bull. On specs maybe, but on that level of quality, you won't hear much people complaining about either sounding crap, the main difference is in the sound color. Some people prefer the A&H sound, some prefer the Rane sound, some people can't even tell the friggin' difference...
Same goes for control, if you prefer rotaries, go for the Rane, if you hate rotaries, why go for the Rane?
The best advice I can give you remains the same every time we talk about equipment. Go to a shop if possible, and try them out. There's no possible way they can refuse it to you (and if they do, sorry, won't buy there then). Find out for yourself what you like best : feel, sound, build quality... Would be pretty stupid to buy a mixer that pricy based on other people's comments. You can take them in account, but never buy something completely based on opinions... |
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| Nemesis44 |
Nice one DJ Thy,
You make a lot of excellent points that put things in perspective.
In general,
Just making a point about getting a quality mixer as some people seem to think it's a waste of money for home use. That is not correct, although you may not initially get the most out of it until upgrade your soundsystem, if you have a good mixer it's one less thing to think about when you do. End of the day, if the guy is willing to spend this sort of money on a mixer you could be pretty sure he would also feel the same way about sound too.
Also if you are recording your mixes and you connect the recording device directly to the mixer you will bypass the crap sound anyways and still be able to present potential listeners with good quality sound. Something that's important if you are going to promote yourself later on.
I have an A&H Xone 464 at home and love it to bits. I play on a load of different mixers everymonth at various clubs with all sorts of different bits on them but the format is pretty much the same. The Xone 62 is very similar to the Xone 464 minus the mic channels and a few bits and bobs. The most common mixer I encounter is the pioneer 500/600 but they still follow a similar layout.
The only reason I would not recommend a rotary mixer is this. If you intend to move on and start playing clubs then you would be better off practicing on a mixer that has the standard format, i.e. like the A&H, Pioneer, Vestax 275 and so on. This will be the most common format you will encounter and if you are familiar with that then you have a good start. Saying that, when I was in France I had to play on a rotary (A&H V6 'beautiful sound like you wouldn't beleive') so you never know when you will find them. They are not bad, just didn't match my playing style that's all. Rotary mixers were made with house music in mind and not trance, worth taking into account.
I wouldn't worry about cross faders as you are better off not using them. You generally have more control with channel faders. Some club mixers don't even have them.
Out of personal prefference I would recomend the Xone 62 and I might even point you in that direction as you may even find the rotary style a little limited in what you can do with the music, other than fade that is.
They both have excellent build quality so you can't fault either product with regards to the purpose they were built for.
With regards to effects:
The A&H effects are good but use them sparingly and don't get a mixer based on this alone. Most of the effects on mixers today are gimicky and crap and are really only their to sell something to you. While they can be fun they don't make the DJ. Learn to do effects with EQs and you will have a more reliable source that transfers to any of the 3 or 4 band EQ mixers out there.
Hope this helps
Cheers
Nem
EDIT - Just seen the age of initial posts... oh well hopefully some use to someone. :) |
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| eMin |
| quote: | Originally posted by g-money
Your a joke buddy pioneer sucks and by the way its made in china which means its a piece of . |
i don't think pioneer is very good, but if pioneer sucks ? you sucks dick! and by the way my pioneer is MADE IN JAPAN! i have a Rane too and just ordered a Xone62, do u know Rane and A&H use some parts which made in china too? O U DUNNO!! so stop talking like a mother ******, you r just a ing dickless homo DOG...:haha: |
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| `pr0digy |
| quote: | Originally posted by eMin
i don't think pioneer is very good, but if pioneer sucks ? you sucks dick! and by the way my pioneer is MADE IN JAPAN! i have a Rane too and just ordered a Xone62, do u know Rane and A&H use some parts which made in china too? O U DUNNO!! so stop talking like a mother ******, you r just a ing dickless homo DOG...:haha: |
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| las3rjock |
| quote: | Originally posted by eMin
i don't think pioneer is very good, but if pioneer sucks ? you sucks dick! and by the way my pioneer is MADE IN JAPAN! i have a Rane too and just ordered a Xone62, do u know Rane and A&H use some parts which made in china too? O U DUNNO!! so stop talking like a mother ******, you r just a ing dickless homo DOG...:haha: |
Someone please kick the twelve-year-olds out of the grown-ups' board, please? :rolleyes: |
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| dartman |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
....Rotary mixers were made with house music in mind and not trance, worth taking into account.
...Out of personal prefference I would recomend the Xone 62 and I might even point you in that direction as you may even find the rotary style a little limited in what you can do with the music, other than fade that is.
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enlighten me..... are you saying that rotary mixers are more or less only good for long gradual mixes and aren't very good for much else? if you had, say, a rane 2016 w/ the expander, why couldnt you do the same stuff that a linear fader mixer w/ eqs could do?
i am not trying to pick a fight, i have just wondered this for a while and want to learn more about rotaries. why are they in all of the bigger clubs that i go to? once you get to play on a 2016 or a V6 does it become the shizzle? and how come there arent really any mid priced rotary mixers out there? |
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| Nemesis44 |
Hey Dartman,
No worries, I understand someone who just wants to know stuff and can tell when someone is picking a fight. :) (Well mostly)
The fact that a mixer is missing EQs to start with just makes it unsuitable but with the additions it's cool.
Basically it's all to do with the style you play. I'm not saying rotaries are bad, but say for example you wanted to start cutting bits in, you would not get the same crisp type of cut with a rotary due to the action. It's all to do with the control you have over individual sections of music. You couldn't start chopping bit's in and out as one might with a harder set. The turning action on the knobs would just make it sound fudged.
Basically the overall control you have over a track is greater with straight channels. A technology that has been pioneered by Turntablists where control is everything, these guys have taken it further by using assignable curves etc.
So why do a lot of the major clubs in the US have them I hear you ask?
Well the reason is this. First up you have to think who plays there and who will have been present when the mixer and stuff was installed. I'm sad to say this but the club culture in the US is very much still stuck in the house music rutt (Not a fan of house as you can tell). Things are changing but Trance is still relatively new.
You get a similar thing in France where anything with a 4/4 is just techno to them (Not saying you don't get French people who know what's what though but in general) Not saying that French clubs just have rotaries though.
The rotary mixer is an older technology that suits a lot of the older house DJs as this will have been all there was when they started playing.
I think the reason you don't see any midranged priced rotaries is in part that there isn't a big demand for them but on the same count there is enough to keep making them.
Also what's worth keeping in mind is that the current format of mixers has actually been created through asking todays DJs what they actually want.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by eMin
i don't think pioneer is very good, but if pioneer sucks ? you sucks dick! and by the way my pioneer is MADE IN JAPAN! i have a Rane too and just ordered a Xone62, do u know Rane and A&H use some parts which made in china too? O U DUNNO!! so stop talking like a mother ******, you r just a ing dickless homo DOG...:haha: |
Just curious... but what do you do with three mixers? All in same price range and similar features... hmmmm.
Cheers
Nem |
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| eMin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
Just curious... but what do you do with three mixers? All in same price range and similar features... hmmmm.
Cheers
Nem |
i use different mixer in different situation , but the DJM-600 is in the box for long time since i seldom use effects, thats why i'm getting A&H. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by eMin
i use different mixer in different situation , but the DJM-600 is in the box for long time since i seldom use effects, thats why i'm getting A&H. |
I can't fault that logic. :) A & H make realy nice mixers.
Cheers
Nem |
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| dartman |
| Nem, thanks for the response. its nice to have some decent discussions going on in here. |
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