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| godsfather |
| u gotta understand man we cant enter their streets they enter ours we dont enter their terretory and if u wanna know that child was killed by terrorists for the world proved by every investigation team and a terrorist sniper killed a baby in israel while his parnets were holding him.... u gotta understand we are the ones lockedup i cant enter "bet lehem" and going away alive while they are all around us... |
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| luckystrike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Paul_Van_Trance
why do THEY have to go. you invade their country in the 40's and now u want THEM to leave their lands? from my view, i see ur askin too much. |
i can't believe that after the holocaust still people saying those thing... 6 milion jews million murderd because they didn't have a country!
and "FASTDJMP3" you don't know what your talking about.
i was against ariel sharon too but now i see he is not that bad - the last thing he want is war and even after this explostion in tel aviv the israeli goverment did not response with her military...
this baby maybe didnt throw stones but her father held her in front of the soldiers and he throw the stones. dont you see they dont give a damn when their people die.
after i saw this terrible terrorist act this friday i dont know what to think. they (the arabs) dont want peace.
israel is OUR country and we - as jews - dont have another place to live and when we try another place 6 million got murderd.
you can't say that we invade their (arabs) country - they have places to go and we do it legaly with international agreement and not with terror like the arabs. |
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| FASTDJMP3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by luckystrike
i can't believe that after the holocaust still people saying those thing... 6 milion jews million murderd because they didn't have a country!
you can't say that we invade their (arabs) country - they have places to go and we do it legaly with international agreement and not with terror like the arabs. |
Yes u invaded the arab countries illegaly (Golan + South Lebanon).
Even israelis have places to go , go back to russia and usa and leave the arab lands alone ... and more will die untill u leave what's not yours |
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| tal_ah |
first of all i would like to say to Paul_Van_Trance i respect your opnion and the way you said that. in 1920-1940 jewish people came to israel but you know the country is big enough for the both of us we did only good things to the land at first it was primitive area we develpoed the country made it modern country the only democracy in the middle east - the palestenian can enjoy that the only thing they have to do is to stop the violence and all of us will prosper .
the second thing is again to FASTDJMP3 i've seen the picures and that is only making me to beleive more in my beleives , again (by showing bodies of dead kids you are trying to gain sympathy)
as for the dead baby everybody feel bad but you have to ask yourself how the baby got to the front line .
one more things you said ''i've lived all my life in Morocco and i know what's happening in the Middle-East.'' -- let me tell you first of all Morocco is far away from israel second thing i'm sure that your country controled by a dictator king doesn't show you all the picture , the media will always be against us. |
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| Izzy |
I know there are tons of things on my minds that i have to say but overall it will get lost in this thread with all the other similar views out there... let me throw out some other things...
In the international sense this "war" is all in the eyes of propaganda, if you are interested in finding out who things really work just listen to shows with interviews and panels and not the 10 secs they give on headline news.
second heres i a funny thought i had, the terrorist who does the crazy he does is considered a mortyar and gets staright into heaven (correct me if im wrong). Then why not barrie his remains with pig parts which to muslims is a big sin and means hell? eh pretty funny no? agian correct me if this thought is wrong but i think anyone in the world who targets inocent teenagers not directly involved in anything to do with the "war" except to get a message across and to kill jews. is wrong in all ways. by the way isnt jihad mean a war against anything non muslim? therefore just being jewish means being a target. |
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| ftnb |
| ...this world is , wether its jew's vs arabs... americans vs russians, i dont give a damn, somebody's always goign to be fighthing someone else, so im damn happy that humans dont live hundreds of years. its all utter insanity ...:( |
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| TraNceFaN |
| quote: | Originally posted by ftnb
...americans vs russians, ...:( |
Hopefully this will never happen... |
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| FASTDJMP3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tal_ah
first of all i would like to say to Paul_Van_Trance i respect your opnion and the way you said that. in 1920-1940 jewish people came to israel but you know the country is big enough for the both of us we did only good things to the land at first it was primitive area we develpoed the country made it modern country the only democracy in the middle east - the palestenian can enjoy that the only thing they have to do is to stop the violence and all of us will prosper .
the second thing is again to FASTDJMP3 i've seen the picures and that is only making me to beleive more in my beleives , again (by showing bodies of dead kids you are trying to gain sympathy)
as for the dead baby everybody feel bad but you have to ask yourself how the baby got to the front line .
one more things you said ''i've lived all my life in Morocco and i know what's happening in the Middle-East.'' -- let me tell you first of all Morocco is far away from israel second thing i'm sure that your country controled by a dictator king doesn't show you all the picture , the media will always be against us. |
Oh yeah u did only good things to the land , like what ? throwing people out from their houses , destroying their villages and killing every arab on your way ? and blocking the Palestinian economy too ? that's sick , Isreal is only taking revenge to what happened in the holocaust that's all . Israel is in Middle-East and it considers itself in Europe , isn't that weird ? U have to stop violence first , Palestine doesn't need ur prosperity , just give them back their lands.
Morocco is maybe far away from Israel but it's an Arab country and we don't have a dictature , Morocco is right now the first democratic country in Africa (it's not South Africa or Egypt) . The media is not against you , the media is only showing the truth . By the way when i say Arabs , i'm talking about Muslims and Christians , because there are a lot of Arab Christians there.
And please stop associating Israel with Jews , i have a lot of Jewish Moroccan friends who agree that Israel must stop what they are doing. |
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| Izzy |
Peace is the ONLY way out like it or not.
Fact: isreal is a county internationaly recongnized and will not sesce to exsist
Fact: Palistians have a right to a country and will eventually have a country
Fact: without making world war 3 the only way to settle the dispute is peace and that involves comprimises both sides have to take In my opinion the palestinians have not show to me they will comprimise enough but agian that must happen on both sides.
peace out
(no pun intended, well maybe, hehe) |
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| Spellbound |
Step back and look at the whole conflict like this. Religion is a very powerful thing. Islam and Judaism have very fundamental differences. As both religions have elaborate belief systems and rituals, we try to understand them as much as we can. As an outsider to this conflict, that has never seen the first hand effects, i've got to say that no one is right. Killing is wrong to begin with. Earlier in the thread someone said that suicide bombing is a "Sin." The islamic perception of "sin" is quite different than the conventional christian view. Does that make them wrong? Yes and no...yes in eyes of the christian world but no in the eyes of the arab world.
The fact that the western world helped Jews establish their own country in their biblical homeland is a wonderful thing. I think a little bit more planning should have gone into it. How could the officials have not forseen the inevitable conflict between jews and muslims. If i were a palestinian in the Golan Heights area or anywhere else in what is known as palestine and a foreign government told me to pack up and move because a large group of jewish settlers were going to be arriving and they had more of a right to the land then i did. in A...i'd be pissed. That is the conflict that is going on...among many many other things. A solution has yet to present its self so the fighting continues. Peace to all the israelis on the board and rave safe guys.
Rock the kazba... |
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| Tranzlucent |
| ... look what I started with this post. I didn't mean to start a political arguement. |
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| FASTDJMP3 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spellbound
Step back and look at the whole conflict like this. Religion is a very powerful thing. Islam and Judaism have very fundamental differences. As both religions have elaborate belief systems and rituals, we try to understand them as much as we can. As an outsider to this conflict, that has never seen the first hand effects, i've got to say that no one is right. Killing is wrong to begin with. Earlier in the thread someone said that suicide bombing is a "Sin." The islamic perception of "sin" is quite different than the conventional christian view. Does that make them wrong? Yes and no...yes in eyes of the christian world but no in the eyes of the arab world.
The fact that the western world helped Jews establish their own country in their biblical homeland is a wonderful thing. I think a little bit more planning should have gone into it. How could the officials have not forseen the inevitable conflict between jews and muslims. If i were a palestinian in the Golan Heights area or anywhere else in what is known as palestine and a foreign government told me to pack up and move because a large group of jewish settlers were going to be arriving and they had more of a right to the land then i did. in A...i'd be pissed. That is the conflict that is going on...among many many other things. A solution has yet to present its self so the fighting continues. Peace to all the israelis on the board and rave safe guys.
Rock the kazba... |
*claping my hands* Bravo ! that's a good analysis , i really like it.
As Izzy said , peace is the only way wether u like it or not . Palestinians have a right to a country and they will have their country InchAllah .
i like this kind of debates , thank God there have been no insults no violence here. |
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