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Changes in Presidential Term Limits (pg. 2)
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| Shakka |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
Fact 1: Trinity, I know you are a full on Republican and are full blinded by your party side..its actually kind of funny
Fact 2: I respect your opinion
Fact 4: Please, do a bit more research.. you seem to be right on some things, but really, your stand its just plain...
Fact 4: The media is loving Bush just as they loved Clinton, or maybe is a way you seemed to see it. Like, you hated Clinton and you thought the media loved him, and now Bush is president and I think the media loves him.
Fact 5: Regardless of the Lewinsky scandal, during Clintons presidency, the US lived one of the best times, if not, THE Best time the american people has ever lived. It may not have been CLinton, maybe his economic advisors, geniouses, but it surely happened under his presidency.
Fact 6: Please, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... dont make a fool of yourself, its just rediculous how you can defend BUSH now.. theres nothing really good coming out of him, except for that AIDS packaged, which seems like a miracle..
And Finally.. YES!!! CLinton would be great for another Term, he would fix the diplomacy, economy, makes us all happy, and from all the experience he gained, and from the mistakes he did, Im sure he'll do equally good or better;) |
1. What's the difference between being a full on Republican or a full on Democrat? Both imply making choices based on party lines vs. making choices for ones' self.
2. Doesn't apply to me.
3. Same
4. I agree.
5. 90's are very much a mirror of the roaring 20's. It's scary that we don't learn valuable lessons from history. We're getting ready to have another bubble burst if we're not careful, I personally think it's too late for the housing bubble, particularly if you look at personal debt and the way credit card companies are fudging the facts to make consumers look stronger than they are.
6. Presidents will always be revered by some and hated by others. It's arrogant to assume that one side or the other is completely right.
7. Please tell me you're joking. Clinton diplomacy could be called blind trust diplomacy. He took what other countries said at face value without bothering to do any investigation into the truth of the situation. And he made a mockery of what should be a very esteemed and respected position. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
In as much as you are blinded by the democratic party? ;)
Really this whole fact thing has become ludicrous. If anything relabel them all to opinion 1, opinion 2, etc. |
IM not blinded, ( hopefully ) its my stand. Some things are ludcicours though, come on, IM talking to the poing of TOTAL blindines. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
1. What's the difference between being a full on Republican or a full on Democrat? Both imply making choices based on party lines vs. making choices for ones' self.
2. Doesn't apply to me.
3. Same
4. I agree.
5. 90's are very much a mirror of the roaring 20's. It's scary that we don't learn valuable lessons from history. We're getting ready to have another bubble burst if we're not careful, I personally think it's too late for the housing bubble, particularly if you look at personal debt and the way credit card companies are fudging the facts to make consumers look stronger than they are.
6. Presidents will always be revered by some and hated by others. It's arrogant to assume that one side or the other is completely right.
7. Please tell me you're joking. Clinton diplomacy could be called blind trust diplomacy. He took what other countries said at face value without bothering to do any investigation into the truth of the situation. And he made a mockery of what should be a very esteemed and respected position. |
Yeah, sorry for that FULL ON comment, it just makes me laught a bit how people dont recognize how good the economy got during Clitons era, and still, theres always the excuse that Bush 41 was the one that made the economy like that.. ppssshh..
On number 7 .. Mmmmm well, he was very charismatic, and I saw a very good relationship among countries with him, besides almost heaving the palestine and the Israeli prime minis. signing that famous paper... |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by LiquidX
IM not blinded, ( hopefully ) its my stand. Some things are ludcicours though, come on, IM talking to the poing of TOTAL blindines. |
And Trinity is no more no less blind than you. He raises some very real criticisms of Clinton's presidancy much like all of you raise criticims about Bush's presidancy. Since when has it been ok to bash Bush but bashing Clinton is a big no no? Chinagate was a VERY real threat to our national security. I don't know if all the problems can be laid at Clinton's feet but certainly some of them were as a direct result of his policies. I remember being quite outraged at the complete lack of security at Los Alomos, the fact that corporations were selling super computers that were only several years behind the technology of the super computers that we were using, and the blatant sale of ballistics missile and like technologies to the Chinese. Not to mention the fact that it's rediculous that the blueprints to nuclear weapons creation can be found anywhere online now. |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
7. Please tell me you're joking. Clinton diplomacy could be called blind trust diplomacy. He took what other countries said at face value without bothering to do any investigation into the truth of the situation. And he made a mockery of what should be a very esteemed and respected position. |
One example: Remember all that money we spent on 2 light water nuclear reactors and fuel shipments? We certainly got a great bargain on that deal :) |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
7. Please tell me you're joking. Clinton diplomacy could be called blind trust diplomacy. He took what other countries said at face value without bothering to do any investigation into the truth of the situation. And he made a mockery of what should be a very esteemed and respected position. |
One example: Remember all that money we spent on 2 light water nuclear reactors and fuel shipments for N. Korea? We certainly got a great bargain on that deal :) |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| Hey Shakka, are you going to tell me that Bush actually gives a about what the real deal is behind all of his plans and initiatives? At least Clinton thought things out more throughly when he was in office!!!:whip: :whip: |
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| Galapidate |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Shakka And he made a mockery of what should be a very esteemed and respected position. |
But when you think about it, all he ever did wrong in his entire presidency was have an affair, which does not affect the president's ability to be in office. Sure, some people may not like it, but Clinton still continued his presidency and put the whole affair to the side. There are other presidents who have committed crimes against the government, like Nixon, who are the REAL presidents that make a mockery out of their position. |
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| Shakka |
| Yeah, had an affair and left our healthcare system in shambles. How's your HMO these days? Paying some nice insurance premiums cause we can't get liberals to pass some tort reform? |
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| I dunno about you, but I'm on a PPO!!! |
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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
I dunno about you, but I'm on a PPO!!! |
Screw that :). That's at least another $150-$200 more a month. For me, the costs of a PPO are too rediculous right now. Although the Co-pays for my HMO now are a little too rediculous as well :whip: :whip: . I agree, we do need health care reform to cut out all the bs. I think that the verdict cap on lawsuits is the best idea I've heard all month. Lower insurance premiums for doctors ---> Lower salaries for doctors ----> Lower health care costs. Dammit congress make it happen. |
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| LiquidX |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
And Trinity is no more no less blind than you. He raises some very real criticisms of Clinton's presidancy much like all of you raise criticims about Bush's presidancy. Since when has it been ok to bash Bush but bashing Clinton is a big no no? Chinagate was a VERY real threat to our national security. I don't know if all the problems can be laid at Clinton's feet but certainly some of them were as a direct result of his policies. I remember being quite outraged at the complete lack of security at Los Alomos, the fact that corporations were selling super computers that were only several years behind the technology of the super computers that we were using, and the blatant sale of ballistics missile and like technologies to the Chinese. Not to mention the fact that it's rediculous that the blueprints to nuclear weapons creation can be found anywhere online now. |
In now way I tried to say that bashing Clinton was a big no no.. sorry if I made it seem that way, just calm a bit hehe.. all I was pointing at was the economic situation. Yes it was the time for the boom and all, but come on, his administration did an exellent job with it.. and people against the guy always try to find something against it.. I know I know, you will say I do the same with Bush, but really, I do agree with things when they are proven to be good ya know, and to be honest, all thats good that came out from him is the AIDS package. Anyways, my whole point was focusing on how people always try to give the president before CLinton credit, which is kind of funny because if there was a person to give credit to would have to be Reagan, who gave the whole cake to Bush 41,.. but, that was way back then, not even close to Clintons era.... and yes everypresident that I've known of has had a bad fuse.. soo.. |
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