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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
its years of articles and books. |
That no doubt contain no scientific evidence. If there were i'm sure there would be some place on the internet saying there was. I have found more than one source saying that there is no scientific evidence that detox diets or fasting do what they claim.
| quote: | | im still not understanding why you dont think fasting is healthy in any way or why it's not connected with any kind of physical well-being. |
Uh, because you don't eat? What are you not understanding? I'm still not understanding why you think not eating is healthy in any way. In fact that sounds pretty crazy to me.
It depletes your body of nutrients that food provides such as carbohydrates. In this depleted condition glycogen levels drop and your body goes into a state called ketosis. These are some possible side-effects of ketosis:
1. intolerance of the rapid onset of ketosis
2. constipation
3. hypoglycaemia (symptoms: fatigue, weakness, confusion, dizziness, irritability, a rapid heartbeat, anxiety, sweating, trembling, hunger, and headaches)
4. lack of appetite
5. nausea and vomiting
6. rise in total serum cholesterol
7. periods of anorexia (aversion to food)
8. symptomatic metabolic acidosis when associated with infection
9. carnitine insufficiency
10. bad breath
It's just common sense that not eating is BAD, and combined with the fact that there is no proof that fasting is more beneficial than anything else for "toxins" in your body, I believe fasting can only be harmful in the end. If you eat raw food with your water it would be better. |
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| Orbax |
Benefits to ketosis:
1) Clearer thinking
2) more energy
3) reduction of food cravings.
The things you put dont really happen unless you have a pre-existing condition, or are doing something bad, like not drinking water either. In a 3 day fast your ketosis only happens for about 12 hours, and the acetone produced as a biproductic is flushed out of your body with water, so just keep purifying and youre fine.
Like I said earlier, americans feel like they are gonna ing die if they miss a MEAL when you have people around the world who are lucky if they get 1 of our meals spread over 2 days.
not eating has been happening for thousands of years and to think that because of a few modern luxuries our bodies have evolved to need food in our gut 24/7 is ridiculous.
and, again, like I said, Im not at home right now to quote the material, and the internet quotes are largely useless as every single site has its antithesis. |
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| Ian^ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Estella
I've actually heard the benefits of White Tea to be greater than that of Green Tea. I've never had any experience with White Tea. I just heard this not long ago, didn't even know it existed. Another trip to Wild Oats! Do you have any info on this? I'll keep you posted, none the less.
b.u.m.p
I've read 96oz. of water to be the magical number of water consumption throughout the day. If I was to do an Orbax advised 5 day h2o fast, would this amount of water throw off electrolytes? I've read through this thread and pumped to start! The only thing is, there's an unopened bottle of margarita mix whispering hot breathe into me ear. :nervous:
Also, my school schedule this semester is pretty rigorous. For example, tomorrow I'm attending for 9 hours. Could this end up being a major downfall? Or advantage? What I'm getting at is, I'm needing all the brain juice. I can't be hallucinating or having epileptic attacks on the biology lab floor. Will a 5 day fast provide clarity or will I mentally degenerate?
Whiskers, keep us posted! Was it a success? Drawbacks? Advantages?
Are.you.Alive?! :eek: |
just to advise here, I wouldn't suggest doing it on days where you have school etc, make it a long weekend or some other time that you can just keep yourself to yourself if you begin to feel yucky :) |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Benefits to ketosis:
1) Clearer thinking
2) more energy
3) reduction of food cravings. |
Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.
Glucose, the main fuel for our body and our brain is conserved during ketosis, and in its place ketone bodies are used for energy production and to fuel brain and nervous system function. Ketone bodies are not nearly as efficient as glygogen. If you're in a prolonged state of ketosis you'll feel sluggish, your mental processes suffer, and you slowly become dehydrated. And since you're not eating i'd assume your food cravings would increase.
| quote: | | Like I said earlier, americans feel like they are gonna ing die if they miss a MEAL when you have people around the world who are lucky if they get 1 of our meals spread over 2 days. |
What difference does it make what people around the world eat? If they get that kind of nutrition they are not living a healthy lifestyle. There is a minimum amount of nutrients our bodies need to carry on basic functions each day, an amount that cannot be provided through such bare eating habits.
| quote: | | not eating has been happening for thousands of years and to think that because of a few modern luxuries our bodies have evolved to need food in our gut 24/7 is ridiculous. |
We don't need it period, we need it if we are to stay healthy.
| quote: | | and the internet quotes are largely useless as every single site has its antithesis. |
Not really. You know, if you find a credible site.
I'll just end with this:
I say to be at your healthiest you must always eat a balanced diet of all nutrients and enzymes, never going on any kind of "fad diets" or fasts. Our bodies' biology dictates that we get a certain amount of nutrients from food each day in order for our bodies to function at their optimum levels.
Orbax says in order be at your healthiest you must starve yourself for some reason? What reason? Because a lot of other people do it? That's not a reason, that's a logical fallacy. He's just throwing up a bunch of Red herrings.
Now which makes more sense? |
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| Orbax |
your little wrong wrong wrong thing while cute, didnt really prove a whole lot. Go to Google and type in "fasting forums" and read what people say about it and how it makes them feel. I know you are like...crazy health nut guy that has actually experienced the stuff hes talking about (oh wait...) but you seem to be basing all your off of random biology when you fail to see systems at work.
Go read forums, read what people say about it. Hype is great and all but try having some real feed back ;)
also your definition of starving is still skewed.
http://www.student.missouristate.ed...8s/starving.htm
might give you some perspective |
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| Orbax |
| also, get into some tighty whiteys sit down in a chair and take a picture of yourself and tell me how great you look. Its fine to sit back and comment but when you have a body and you get sick more than 1 time a year, you kind of just have to keep your mouth shut because no one will believe you. You may even be right, but i dont want to hear it. Hitler could have had the ultimate secret to becoming a Christian, but I wouldnt listen to him either. |
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| Orbax |
two books to read:
Eating Well for Optimum Health by Andrew Weil, M.D.
Fasting and Eating for Health by Joel Fuhrman, M.D. with foreward by Neal D. Barnard, M.D., President, Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine.
two great books.
cover quotes: "Precise diet and fasting programs to relieve headaches, hypoglycemia, heart disease, high blood pressure, diabetes, colitis, psoriasis, lupus, and uterine fibroids."
"How to start, what to expect, how to reintroduce foods to maintain maximum benefits"
"How to work with a physician for longer fasts (More than 3 days)
I have more, but these are the two best. |
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| Aiwendil |
Seeing as you have nothing of substance to add besides useless insults and supposition, i'll also say that the whole "enzymes in raw foods take digestive strain off of the body" thing is not true. You see, whether enzymes are killed by cooking/processing or not, the highly acidic environment of the stomach deactivates any outside enzymes before they reach your small intestine. Enzymes in raw food never make it past the stomach.
What I look like has no bearing on the validity of the things I say. You're simply spouting out more logical fallacies. I can't even remember the last time I was sick. People say it makes them feel better? Good for them, unfortunately that does little to show me that the positive effects are from fasting or that they are more than some kind of placebo effect.
As for those books, i'm sure they present one possible side, the side you follow. A side which has yet to be scientifically proven through the scientific method and peer review. The authors are doctors? So what? This book was written by a mechanical engineer, that doesn't mean what he writes is the truth. |
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| Orbax |
| so youre saying there isnt a difference between raw food and cooked food? it all gets dumped into acid? weird. Id say pretty much every nutritionist would disagree with your little statement there. |
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| Streakfury |
The whole detox diet thing might not be as good for you as people think:
Clicky |
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| Sunsnail |
| quote: | Originally posted by Streakfury
The whole detox diet thing might not be as good for you as people think:
Clicky |
either way you feel great when its finished |
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| Aiwendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
so youre saying there isnt a difference between raw food and cooked food? it all gets dumped into acid? weird. Id say pretty much every nutritionist would disagree with your little statement there. |
There are many differences between raw and cooked food. The supposition that one relieves strain off the digestive system more than the other is highly suspect. The stomach secretes digestive enzymes that can work in stomach acid. The enzymes in raw food cannot. Most nutritionalists? I don't really think you know what most nutritionalists would say about my "little statement" any more than I do.
And you would do well to stop assuming what I have and have not done. For all you know i've been fasting for most of my life and stopped recently, or I tried fasting and it didn't work, or I felt no effects from a detox diet I tried. |
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