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Bush's UK State Visit
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| 'mju:zik |
awww british hippies are angry:(
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031111/ts_nm/bush_britain_dc_1
I say STFU considering America gave more their freedom than they did 60 years ago. |
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| Trancer-X |
A poll in Tuesday's Times newspaper showed 60 percent of British voters strongly disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq -- and that anti-Bush feeling is particularly high among women.
It sounds like more than half of it's citizenry must be what you call "hippies." Under the current circumstances, that's definitely better than having more than half of them being ignoramuses. Given the great advances in communication since WWII, (notably the internet) the general public seems much more knowledgable and abreast of the facts than it's predecessors. In other words, it's much harder to pull the wool over their eyes.
Actually, I think it's called "Democracy!" What a benevolently novel idea. LOL. |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
[It sounds like more than half of it's citizenry must be what you call "hippies." |
Maybe to someone who can't read well.
"up to 100,000 protesters vowing to take to the streets"
That's not exactly half the population now is it there buddy? |
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| Shakka |
| Funny how it's usually the very small, yet very vocal minority that draws the majority of the attention to itself. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
A poll in Tuesday's Times newspaper showed 60 percent of British voters strongly disapprove of Bush's handling of Iraq -- and that anti-Bush feeling is particularly high among women.
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Well, having consistently scored in the 99th and 99+ %ile in reading comprehension, I read unequivocally and meticulously well. Thank you, bendejo :p
I doubt that everyone sharing their sentiments are going to be protesting. I'm sure that even the most incognizant individuals would have to agree that not everyone is an activist. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
Funny how it's usually the very small, yet very vocal minority that draws the majority of the attention to itself. |
Funny how you tend to miss the facts that are not convinient for you. If you'd read better, you'd see 60% are against Bush's policy. The 100 000 people protesting is a large number. Not all of those who disagree with Bush are attending the protests. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Funny how you tend to miss the facts that are not convinient for you. If you'd read better, you'd see 60% are against Bush's policy. The 100 000 people protesting is a large number. Not all of those who disagree with Bush are attending the protests. |
Seriously.
He appears to be a student of propaganda. His techniques are "card stacking" (omitting facts) and "name-calling" (stereotyping people or ideas.) |
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| Trancer-X |
President Seems Unable to Bear the Sight or Sound of Dissent
By ROBYN E. BLUMNER
© St. Petersburg Times, published October 13, 2002
President Bush seems to think bullying is the only way to deal with dissent. Bush has so much trouble articulating a defense for his own policies, so little capacity to formulate a reasoned response, that he resorts to shibboleths, name-calling or worse, using authorities to shut down his critics.
Classic Bush was his attack on Senate Democrats who refused to go along with his plan to strip workers at the new Department of Homeland Security of civil service rights. He quipped that senators were "not interested in the security of the American people."
Of course, U.S. senators can take care of themselves. Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle made quick work of Bush's scurrilous claims, pointing out to the former Texas National Guardsman that a number of Senate Democrats were actually injured fighting for the security of our country.
But there are plenty of regular Joes out there who don't have access to the halls of power or C-Span, whose criticism of the administration has been sidelined by law enforcement.
In town after town where Bush has come to raise money or make a speech, his venue and the route leading up to it have been purged of protesters. This is accomplished through the combined efforts of local policing agencies and the secret service, which scour the crowd for any hint of opposition. Anyone with an anti-Bush sign is relegated into what is euphemistically called a Free Speech or Demonstration Zone -- a swath of land usually off the main thoroughfare and chained off so as to make it virtually impossible for the targets of the protest to read the signs or hear the chants. Those with pro-Bush signs are often treated very differently. They are free to cheerlead the president as he rides toward his engagement, which typically is further sanitized by being invitation-only.
This kind of censorship is indicative of a leader who lacks confidence in his own powers of persuasion and the legitimacy of his course. Why else would Bush be so interested in hiding evidence of dissent within the American populace?
The Secret Service claims that security concerns justify the use of segregated zones for protesters. That's a lot of bunk. As long as demonstrators do not impede the flow of traffic they have a right to be anywhere the general public is invited. Think about the freedom we would be giving up if police could cage anyone who wants to exercise his or her First Amendment rights.
As Bill Neel of Butler, Penn., says, "(Under the Constitution,) the whole country is a free speech zone." Neel, 65, a retired steelworker, was arrested on Labor Day for stepping outside the fence where he and a small group of protesters were cordoned off as the president made his way by motorcade for a speech to union carpenters. His sign read: "The Bushes must truly love the poor -- they've made so many of us." Bush supporters waving signs and flags were allowed to freely line the route.
Neel was charged with disorderly conduct and has a hearing on Oct. 31 at which he intends to fight the charge with the help of the Pittsburgh Chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union. His story is part of a disturbing national pattern.
Peter Buckley, a 45-year-old Democratic candidate for Congress in Oregon, expressed his frustration with the Free Speech Zones in a commentary for the Oregonian. In August, Buckley was part of a group of people who had turned out to protest Bush's economic policies among other things. They were herded into a dirt compound surrounded by a six-foot cyclone fence, 200 yards from the arena where Bush spoke to 5,000 invited guests.
"We were not allowed anywhere near any kind of position where the president, or the media which follows him, would see or hear us," Buckley wrote. "What is happening everywhere Mr. Bush goes is wrong. The effort being made to hide political opposition in this country is more than cowardly. It's un-American."
In Tampa, three people, including two grandmothers, were arrested last year at a Bush rally when they held up opposition signs outside the far-flung demonstration zone. Once again, people with supportive signs went unmolested. The charges against the three were later dropped as baseless, and a civil rights suit is expected to be filed within weeks against the Tampa Police Department.
In the past, courts have ruled protest pens invalid. Americans have a right to address grievances to their president when he appears in public, even if that ruins a particular "photo op."
My advice to Bush is to thicken his skin and work on the sagacity of his arguments.
© Copyright 2003 St. Petersburg Times. All rights reserved
http://www.sptimes.com/2002/10/13/n...ems_unabl.shtml |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Trancer-X
Well, having consistently scored in the 99th and 99+ %ile in reading comprehension, I read unequivocally and meticulously well. Thank you, bendejo :p
I doubt that everyone sharing their sentiments are going to be protesting. I'm sure that even the most incognizant individuals would have to agree that not everyone is an activist. |
."up to 100,000 protesters vowing to take to the streets"
i hope that posting your sat percentage score on the internet gives you a nice warm bundle of self worth. obviously you had trouble understanding that by hippies I meant protesters. disagreeing about something is one thing, marching for your beliefs makes you a hippy |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
."up to 100,000 protesters vowing to take to the streets"
i hope that posting your sat percentage score on the internet gives you a nice warm bundle of self worth. obviously you had trouble understanding that by hippies I meant protesters. disagreeing about something is one thing, marching for your beliefs makes you a hippy |
And you are a dictionary:rolleyes:
I guess anyone who marches is a hippee, whether its for n aids fight, or gay pride, or human rights
Why dont you go and rim Bush's , im sure you would love it. |
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| Trancer-X |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
."up to 100,000 protesters vowing to take to the streets"
i hope that posting your sat percentage score on the internet gives you a nice warm bundle of self worth. obviously you had trouble understanding that by hippies I meant protesters. disagreeing about something is one thing, marching for your beliefs makes you a hippy |
Well, it was other standardized (and unbiased) testing, not SAT scoring. I was referring to it simply to refute your ignorant comment. I don't need to boast about anything to quantify my self-worth. I get that from telling the truth and not making wrongful and foolish judgements in regards to other people and their underlying motivations.
Going by your displayed ideologies, America's founding fathers must have all been hippies since they went the extra step and fought for their beliefs instead of just talking about them!
In your generalized shortcut to thinking, you didn't take into account that the "hippies" you are referring to are housewives, war veterans, university students, and others who have actually been educated to think for themselves. |
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