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| occrider |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
Pearl Harbor, Hitler taking command, and the end of the battle of Moscow (a huuuuuge win), all occured WITHIN a week of the declaration. Again, there are a few other lesser known things that occurred, but since you claim you have "studied" this war, I figured I would give you a chance to enlighten us. sooo?? Still NOTHING??? I thought so. I'll give you another day or two mister knowitall. |
OMG ... Ok, I'll spell things out for you as explicitly as I can.
Date of German declaration of war: December 11th.
Your week of "spooky" things: December 7th-13th.
German offensive against battle of Moscow grinding to a halt: December 5th.
Hitler assuming command of the Wehrmacht and ordering "no withdrawal": December 19th.
Therefore I was prompted to say: "what spooky things? The battle of Moscow? Technically that was the week before, etc., etc., etc."
After which, for some particular reason, you chose to utilize ad hominem attacks as your means to discredit me (who said I knew everything about it? Go back and read, I said that I studied ww2 the most compared to any other war I've studied).
Furthermore, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and Hitler's assumption of command of the wehrmacht are not defined as critical "turning points" because nothing has actually happened to the German army to render a strategic or tactical defeat. Therefore if goofy assumes command of the German Army it isn't a critical turning point, it's what goofy DOES with the army (most likely a decisive battle) that is a critical turning point. For example, the american war of independance which set the stage for the creation of America and its eventual economic might to challenge Japan is not a critical turning poin in the battle against the Japanese, the battle of Midway is.
Lastly, after Hitler's assumption of command, he did what most other generals would likely do. He gave up the static situation of army group center and consolidated resources with army group south to take the rich oil fields of the Caucusses. Oil fields that increasingly became a vital necessity to the german war machinery especially since the Americans were bombing the Romanian oil fields.
Cheers,
Mr. Know-it-all Cheney :rolleyes: |
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| biodigit |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
OMG ... Ok, I'll spell things out for you as explicitly as I can.
Date of German declaration of war: December 11th.
Your week of "spooky" things: December 7th-13th.
German offensive against battle of Moscow grinding to a halt: December 5th.
Hitler assuming command of the Wehrmacht and ordering "no withdrawal": December 19th.
Therefore I was prompted to say: "what spooky things? The battle of Moscow? Technically that was the week before, etc., etc., etc."
After which, for some particular reason, you chose to utilize ad hominem attacks as your means to discredit me (who said I knew everything about it? Go back and read, I said that I studied ww2 the most compared to any other war I've studied).
Furthermore, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and Hitler's assumption of command of the wehrmacht are not defined as critical "turning points" because nothing has actually happened to the German army to render a strategic or tactical defeat. Therefore if goofy assumes command of the German Army it isn't a critical turning point, it's what goofy DOES with the army (most likely a decisive battle) that is a critical turning point. For example, the american war of independance which set the stage for the creation of America and its eventual economic might to challenge Japan is not a critical turning poin in the battle against the Japanese, the battle of Midway is.
Lastly, after Hitler's assumption of command, he did what most other generals would likely do. He gave up the static situation of army group center and consolidated resources with army group south to take the rich oil fields of the Caucusses. Oil fields that increasingly became a vital necessity to the german war machinery especially since the Americans were bombing the Romanian oil fields. |
mjuuou;p]\j;jak just got owned! :D
sorry had to do it! :p |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by biodigit
mjuuou;p]\j;jak just got owned! :D
sorry had to do it! :p |
interesting, a "junior tranceaddict" from the same city as occipad
hmmmm
is this occipad's discrminatory side?? happy to see that ppl who suffer throughout their whole lives are made fun of in the POLITICAL forum:rolleyes: |
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| 'mju:zik |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
OMG ... Ok, I'll spell things out for you as explicitly as I can.
Date of German declaration of war: December 11th.
Your week of "spooky" things: December 7th-13th.
German offensive against battle of Moscow grinding to a halt: December 5th.
Hitler assuming command of the Wehrmacht and ordering "no withdrawal": December 19th.
Therefore I was prompted to say: "what spooky things? The battle of Moscow? Technically that was the week before, etc., etc., etc."
After which, for some particular reason, you chose to utilize ad hominem attacks as your means to discredit me (who said I knew everything about it? Go back and read, I said that I studied ww2 the most compared to any other war I've studied).
Furthermore, the bombing of Pearl Harbor and Hitler's assumption of command of the wehrmacht are not defined as critical "turning points" because nothing has actually happened to the German army to render a strategic or tactical defeat. Therefore if goofy assumes command of the German Army it isn't a critical turning point, it's what goofy DOES with the army (most likely a decisive battle) that is a critical turning point. For example, the american war of independance which set the stage for the creation of America and its eventual economic might to challenge Japan is not a critical turning poin in the battle against the Japanese, the battle of Midway is.
Lastly, after Hitler's assumption of command, he did what most other generals would likely do. He gave up the static situation of army group center and consolidated resources with army group south to take the rich oil fields of the Caucusses. Oil fields that increasingly became a vital necessity to the german war machinery especially since the Americans were bombing the Romanian oil fields.
Cheers,
Mr. Know-it-all Cheney :rolleyes: |
you should quote sources when you say things like "considered" or "defined"
aside from that, all you saying is that my original statement was false because I saw week of instead of within a week. very mature. nitpick all u want, all you can say to discredit my statement is that my wording was wrong. youre an idiot who thinks hes smart and thats the worst kind.
YOU STILL DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE HAPPENED THAT WEEK SMART ASS????
DO YOU NOT KNOW BECAUSE YOU"RE STUPID OR UNEDUCATED?? |
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
you should quote sources when you say things like "considered" or "defined"
aside from that, all you saying is that my original statement was false because I saw week of instead of within a week. very mature. nitpick all u want, all you can say to discredit my statement is that my wording was wrong. youre an idiot who thinks hes smart and thats the worst kind.
YOU STILL DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE HAPPENED THAT WEEK SMART ASS????
DO YOU NOT KNOW BECAUSE YOU"RE STUPID OR UNEDUCATED?? |
You look down on people who make fun of mentally challenged kids, yet you act like one when you call people names as you "try" to pathetically argue you point.
Occrider, dont waste your time with this sad seed. When it cant argue no longer, it chooses to call names. |
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| TranceMuzik02 |
| who gives a , we know hes a nob cheddar and hes a leader, but why people have to go on about him i don't know |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
um I don't think so...
I think a nuke falling on Berlin would have discouraged Hitler from pursuing an offensive against the US. |
And how would american bombers reach Berlin if Britain fell?
| quote: | | Also, there is nothing to back up your theory about Britain winning the Western front by itself. If anything, the reds might have won it from the east, and in turn, saved Britain. No offence, but the UK was pretty much ed. |
No, not by itself, but with great US support.
| quote: | | YOU STILL DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE HAPPENED THAT WEEK SMART ASS???? |
Feel free to enlighten us. |
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| Renegade |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
you should quote sources when you say things like "considered" or "defined"
aside from that, all you saying is that my original statement was false because I saw week of instead of within a week. very mature. nitpick all u want, all you can say to discredit my statement is that my wording was wrong. youre an idiot who thinks hes smart and thats the worst kind.
YOU STILL DONT KNOW WHAT ELSE HAPPENED THAT WEEK SMART ASS????
DO YOU NOT KNOW BECAUSE YOU"RE STUPID OR UNEDUCATED?? |
1) You accuse Occrider of "nitpicking" when it was your sarcastic retort (prefaced with "I thought you said you studied this war??") that began this heated discussion in the first place.
2) You, of all people, have no right to call Occrider "uneducated" or a "smart ass". Just admit the fact that you lost the argument, that Occrider knows his history a lot better than you (despite the aspersions you cast upon his role as a "TA historian") and move on.
3) If you don't want to discuss things sensibly or "nitpick" about dates, then this isn't the place for you. Once again, move on. |
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| sleepydragon |
| yeah bush is coming he can of back to the USA aswell the american prick |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Hehe, seems that occrider enjoys plebiscitary support in this matter. |
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| Dj O'Callaghan |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
um I don't think so...
I think a nuke falling on Berlin would have discouraged Hitler from pursuing an offensive against the US.
Also, there is nothing to back up your theory about Britain winning the Western front by itself. If anything, the reds might have won it from the east, and in turn, saved Britain. No offence, but the UK was pretty much ed.
Pearl Harbor, Hitler taking command, and the end of the battle of Moscow (a huuuuuge win), all occured WITHIN a week of the declaration. Again, there are a few other lesser known things that occurred, but since you claim you have "studied" this war, I figured I would give you a chance to enlighten us. sooo?? Still NOTHING??? I thought so. I'll give you another day or two mister knowitall. |
A nuke falling on Berlin? heh Did you know it was the SAS who stopped the Nazis from making the first A bomb? in Norway SAS assualts on various facilties which were manufacturing and researching A bomb technology stopped the Nazi atomic weapon programmes.
Yes Britain wouldn't of won the Western front alone but neither would America on their own aswell, but it this way it was a JOINT effort. Aswell if the Nazis decided not to invade Russia we would be speaking German right now, as their attempted invasion of Russia was what lost them the war. |
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| biodigit |
| quote: | Originally posted by 'mju:zik
interesting, a "junior tranceaddict" from the same city as occipad
hmmmm
is this occipad's discrminatory side?? happy to see that ppl who suffer throughout their whole lives are made fun of in the POLITICAL forum:rolleyes: |
hahaha you're thinking I am the 'Evil' side of Occ and logging on with a different nick so i can make fun of retarted people? Thats the funniest I have ever heard, probably wouldnt even find in the 'Chill Out' forum.
lets make that clear....I am NOT Occrider. 2nd, if you try using this very helpful functionality this forum provides...called 'Search Button' you would find there have been times that i've been in discussions with Occrider and at times they were very heated ones.
Lastly, i wasnt making fun of retards. You might find this surprising and shocking that...I was making fun of YOU! Pure and simple...Occ made you looke like a RETARD. You kept arguing just for the sake of arguing and that again....makes YOU sound like a retard.
so, in conclusion. Sooner or later you will get OWNED.....and I guess your time was due for such a life altering experience. |
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