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what comes to mind when you think of Utah (pg. 5)
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| DaveSaenz |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheSandman
just wondering...besides crazy mormons...and yes there is a lot of them |
Natural beauty that is almost unmatched anywhere else in the US and perhaps the world that I have seen firsthand.
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
well it ain't flat.
it has some of the best skiing mountains around.
i was in salt lake city and everywhere you turn there are nice hills to ski on. |
The winter olympics were just held there, but since it's near impossible to get alcohol there, all the Europeans were complaining lolz. |
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MORMONS!!!
hmm i dont like mormons. They always come up to me trying to convert me and stuff. And they sometimes knock on your door, and try and convert you too. Why can't they just leave us alone!!! Does anyone else notice that christianity is the only religion that tries to convert people. You don't see buddhists, muslims, jew etc going around trying to convert ppl. It really, really annoys me.
btw are Mormons count as christians?
I don't really know much about the religion
I have a funny story actually:
One day i came home from high school and my front door was locked. This was unusual because usually one of my brothers or my sisters is home. Anyway, i unlocked the door and i saw my brothers inside.
I said "Why did you lock the door?"
and they said "some bloody mormons came around so we pretended we werent home."
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| Orbax |
Lemme clarify :D
K ive read the book of mormon, doctrine and covenent, and pearl of great price. I dont get my whacky ideas from anti-mormon sites hehe. Although if you have any additional information about the star of kolob itd be much appreciated.
anyways i mean besides Mormons coming to your door and saying "hey join our religion, do you have any questions?" and then you start asking questions that are hard to answer and then leaving and saying they feel the presence of the adversary (the devil), I meant this.
You cant go to a Mormon temple and learn as a mormon if you arent mormon. In utah the temple cards are like FBI access cards with thumbprints picture IDs and stuff. To get in you get to do secret handshakes *cough masonic cough* and if you converted to mormonism before your parents they dont get to attend your wedding cuz they arent ranked as high as you and cant enter that part of the temple.
Salt Lake had a lot of crazy stuff, a LOT of CRAZY stuff. God, the stories.
so i still think that Mormonism is an "in crowd" thing
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Islam began in 622 AD, and, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, it "developed into a world civilization with extraordinary rapidity in the course of less than 100 years." By 714, Muslim armies had extended Islam westward all across northern Africa and into Spain, and eastward into India and Central Asia. Mormonism has achieved nothing like that, having established itself as the dominant culture only in Utah and some parts of neighboring states, in its 170 years. In 1994, according to the World Almanac, there were 1,033,453,000 Muslims world-wide. Note that that figure is about a hundred times the number of Mormons, and even if you took away a billion Muslims, there would still be three times as many Muslims in the world as Mormons. Islam is still expanding today in Africa, where thousands of people are acknowledging Allah as the only God and Mohammed as his Prophet.
By 1996 the number of Muslims had increased to 1,126,325,000, for a gain of almost 91 million since 1994. Just think! Ninety-one million new Muslims! That is an increase of 8.98% for the two years, or over 4% per year. Just the increase for Islam amounts to about nine times the entire membership of the Mormon church!
Falun Gong (also called Falun Dafa) is a Chinese religious movement which was in the news recently because the Chinese government declared it illegal and began persecution of its followers in 1999. It began about 1985 and now (2000) has over ten million members. Its charismatic leader is Li Hongzhi, an expatriate Chinese living in New York. He teaches healing, fitness, correct thinking, acquisition of supernatural powers, and he promises salvation. Ten million adherents in fifteen years far out-strips the growth of Mormonism in the last fifteen years or in its first fifteen years, or in any fifteen years of its history. Does this phenomenal growth prove that it is from God (or at least moreso than Mormonism)?
The Seventh Day Adventists are growing faster than the Mormons. The Associated Press reported in the Salt Lake Tribune July 15, 2000, page C3:
Toronto - The rapidly growing Seventh-day Adventist Church added 1,090,848 new members in 1999, an increase of nearly 11 percent, and now has a following of more than 11 million, according to a report delivered at the faith's international meeting.
Compare those figures to the 1999 total membership of the Mormon church: 10,752,986, including 306,171 converts, for a growth rate of 2.5 percent. Adventists: 11% growth; Mormons: 2.5% growth. Which is God's church, then? Remember that the Mormons have sixty thousand full-time missionaries in the field, whereas the Adventists have nothing like that. Adventism is also not as old as Mormonism, so its growth is more impressive compared with Mormonism.
In fact, according to the church's own accounts, the growth rate is declining! In 1996 the church reported a growth rate of 4.24%. In 1999, the growth rate had fallen by 44%, to 2.37%, as reported in the December 1999 issue of the official church magazine Ensign.
"As a missionary and later a clerk for my ward, I often worked the inactive lists only to find that those people had long since died. Additionally, all the wards and branches I've been involved with, both in California and in Utah, have been shrinking. Two stakes here in this area recently merged into one, supposedly because the area is becoming too expensive and members are moving out (yet, there's no shortage of people moving in, they're just apparently not mormons).
"Add that to the fact that the church hasn't been able to do math in the yearly Conference stats reports for the past several years (add up their numbers, and you'll see they don't work out in any reasonable way), and that they're very secretive about the whole thing, and well, I'm very certain that, at least in the U.S., LDS church membership is on the decline."
I think youre awesome too babe :D |
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| quote: | Originally posted by whiskers
Joe Young: We should call the police!
Girl at Sushi Bar: The police? Where are you from, Arizona?
Joe Young: No, Utah.
Girl at Sushi Bar: Oh. I'm sorry.
Lisa: Excuse me, could you tell me what movie this is?
Video Store Clerk: [laughs] What movie this is? Where have you been, under a rock?
Lisa: No, I'm from Utah.
Video Store Clerk: Oh. I'm sorry.
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Orgazmo! haha awesome!
such a great movie! |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orbax
Lemme clarify :D
K ive read the book of mormon, doctrine and covenent, and pearl of great price. I dont get my whacky ideas from anti-mormon sites hehe. Although if you have any additional information about the star of kolob itd be much appreciated.
anyways i mean besides Mormons coming to your door and saying "hey join our religion, do you have any questions?" and then you start asking questions that are hard to answer and then leaving and saying they feel the presence of the adversary (the devil), I meant this.
You cant go to a Mormon temple and learn as a mormon if you arent mormon. In utah the temple cards are like FBI access cards with thumbprints picture IDs and stuff. To get in you get to do secret handshakes *cough masonic cough* and if you converted to mormonism before your parents they dont get to attend your wedding cuz they arent ranked as high as you and cant enter that part of the temple.
Salt Lake had a lot of crazy stuff, a LOT of CRAZY stuff. God, the stories.
so i still think that Mormonism is an "in crowd" thing
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Islam began in 622 AD, and, according to the Encyclopedia Britannica, it "developed into a world civilization with extraordinary rapidity in the course of less than 100 years." By 714, Muslim armies had extended Islam westward all across northern Africa and into Spain, and eastward into India and Central Asia. Mormonism has achieved nothing like that, having established itself as the dominant culture only in Utah and some parts of neighboring states, in its 170 years. In 1994, according to the World Almanac, there were 1,033,453,000 Muslims world-wide. Note that that figure is about a hundred times the number of Mormons, and even if you took away a billion Muslims, there would still be three times as many Muslims in the world as Mormons. Islam is still expanding today in Africa, where thousands of people are acknowledging Allah as the only God and Mohammed as his Prophet.
By 1996 the number of Muslims had increased to 1,126,325,000, for a gain of almost 91 million since 1994. Just think! Ninety-one million new Muslims! That is an increase of 8.98% for the two years, or over 4% per year. Just the increase for Islam amounts to about nine times the entire membership of the Mormon church!
Falun Gong (also called Falun Dafa) is a Chinese religious movement which was in the news recently because the Chinese government declared it illegal and began persecution of its followers in 1999. It began about 1985 and now (2000) has over ten million members. Its charismatic leader is Li Hongzhi, an expatriate Chinese living in New York. He teaches healing, fitness, correct thinking, acquisition of supernatural powers, and he promises salvation. Ten million adherents in fifteen years far out-strips the growth of Mormonism in the last fifteen years or in its first fifteen years, or in any fifteen years of its history. Does this phenomenal growth prove that it is from God (or at least moreso than Mormonism)?
The Seventh Day Adventists are growing faster than the Mormons. The Associated Press reported in the Salt Lake Tribune July 15, 2000, page C3:
Toronto - The rapidly growing Seventh-day Adventist Church added 1,090,848 new members in 1999, an increase of nearly 11 percent, and now has a following of more than 11 million, according to a report delivered at the faith's international meeting.
Compare those figures to the 1999 total membership of the Mormon church: 10,752,986, including 306,171 converts, for a growth rate of 2.5 percent. Adventists: 11% growth; Mormons: 2.5% growth. Which is God's church, then? Remember that the Mormons have sixty thousand full-time missionaries in the field, whereas the Adventists have nothing like that. Adventism is also not as old as Mormonism, so its growth is more impressive compared with Mormonism.
In fact, according to the church's own accounts, the growth rate is declining! In 1996 the church reported a growth rate of 4.24%. In 1999, the growth rate had fallen by 44%, to 2.37%, as reported in the December 1999 issue of the official church magazine Ensign.
"As a missionary and later a clerk for my ward, I often worked the inactive lists only to find that those people had long since died. Additionally, all the wards and branches I've been involved with, both in California and in Utah, have been shrinking. Two stakes here in this area recently merged into one, supposedly because the area is becoming too expensive and members are moving out (yet, there's no shortage of people moving in, they're just apparently not mormons).
"Add that to the fact that the church hasn't been able to do math in the yearly Conference stats reports for the past several years (add up their numbers, and you'll see they don't work out in any reasonable way), and that they're very secretive about the whole thing, and well, I'm very certain that, at least in the U.S., LDS church membership is on the decline."
I think youre awesome too babe :D |
we can argue about forever, obviously your set in your ways and im set in mine. But if all the people in the church were doing the things that the church asked them to do and not the things they thought were in their 'best judgement' then it would be completely diffrent. Where are you getting these quotes from? And just because the Seventh Day Adventists are growing faster then the mormons how does that prove that the mormon church isn't growing? You don't have fingerprinted cards or do a secret handshake to get into our temples. You don't seem to understand that these are sacred places like any other temples, can't you respect that?
As far as it goes with the missionarys... i REALLY WISH i could control all the thousands of people that go out there and represent our church... however, there is no way of doing that. Unfortuanlty, some pretty stupid people will go out there and give it a bad name by being pushy or saying dumb crap like "i feel the adversary here".. they are not supposed to say stuff like that, some people are just crazy and that has NOTHING to do with the religion. THe missionary's job is to knock on your door, say HI and ask if they can talk to you... if you say "NO" then they are supposed to say "HAVE A NICE DAY" and leave. If they don't do this, then they aren't doing what they are supposed to. I wasn't always mormon, i converted when i was 16. I was able to weed through and find out what the religion was and seperate it from stupid people. And if you are wondering why God allows stupid people to be mormon, it is because he gave everyone the gift of FREE AGENCY meaning we can do whatever the hell we want. |
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| wienerschnitzel |
| PS. i don't i once had the same opinons as you. |
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| Orbax |
I know I may be seeming to be making sweeping generalizations. I have had rather extensive experience in this. I am just referring to the main temple in Salt Lake, not the local chapterhouses around the world. Just that temple. Its a hard core temple. Every mormon temple ive been to around here wont let me past the foyer. I was just commenting on how that seems weird. I know its a place to worship, but its also a place to come and let God fill you with His Spirit. And thats why i was saying its odd to not let people in.
The statistic that said in 1994 it was 11% growth and in 1999 a 4 % growth shows that there has been a 7% decline. Its growing, albeit at an astronomically slow rater considering the amount of mormon births.
This shouldnt be offensive, zoroastrianism isnt exaclty a huge religion either, and its just as valid.
So in recap:
I was saying Mormonism is odd due to how it propogates itself as compared to other major religions eg Christianity, Islam. Thats all. Nothing personal, and nothing attacking them. Its just a very different culture.
I have philosophical arguments with Mormonism, but they are rather impossible to discuss on forums :D So i wont be going into them. But it isnt like I hate Mormons, I just disagree with them. Ive had a few Mormon friends over the years, but the differences in culture always make us drift apart...its weird. Well its probably cause they cant get drunk... but I digress.
That help you not hate me? :D |
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| wienerschnitzel |
You are right, it is diffrent. And i was never angry, i just felt the need to defend myself. Thats fine if you don't like the religion, i don't think i would fare well with alot of other religions. And i know what you mean about having mormon friends who you can't really fit in with..it isn't the case for all mormons but with a majority it is. Alot of the ones who have been raised in the church haven't had alot of life experience outside of the church and so i think they tend to shun others out, which i think is wrong. Because of that, i am not really accepted by the 'cool' group at my church because i have only been mormon for 5 years and i am very open minded. Those people are scared of me because i am diffrent, but it wasn't just those in my church, it is also those in my town. So i respect everyones diffrent opinions, but there is a fine line between discussing ones diffrences and putting one down. I don't think you crossed that like orbax...
sorry for the temporary hi-jack..
apart from mormons, utah reminds me of Lake Powell=wakeboarding. |
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| Aya Brea |
| that movie Orgazmo |
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| arturob |
| mormons, mountains, snow :p |
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| annon185 |
| how bout mimes? i saw a handful of those during my unfortunate visit there. |
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