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| Abject Silver |
| quote: | Originally posted by pumavisor808
You know what would be truly interesting, if the U.S. adopted a new policy of isolationism... the rest of the world and let them do whatever they want.. We are totally self sufficient here. Let the rest of the world figure out their problems by themsleves without our help and aid. THEM. I give up trying to help anyone else. |
i'm truly sorry, because i almost always avoid any kind of definite statement disparaging someone, but this i have to say -
that's the *bites tongue* ...silliest... thing i've heard all day.
i especially like that last part. 'trying to help anyone else.' |
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| Ripped Bag |
nasty pictures..
sucks huh?
oh well |
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| Orbax |
| i think a lot if not all of those were chernobyl babies |
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| Abject Silver |
| quote: | Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1
the flash movie itself disproves it to most...
any substance with a halflife of 15 billion years or however many they said is NOT VERY RADIOACTIVE
if it takes that long for a peice of DU to turn into half a peice of DU its not really emitting jack is it? |
you're thinking particles.
radioactivity isn't particles, man. it's electromagnetism. (gross oversimplifaction, yes, i know.)
cell deformation by radiation isn't caused by the dust that's settled after a DU shell is embedded into the ground or what have you. if that were the case, then children wouldn't still be born in hiroshima and nagasaki with half an arm.
read up on some physics, and it'll make more sense. not assuming anything about your current level of knowledge, of course, so i apologize. you just said something naive, and hell, i've done the same many a time. :) |
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| TuanAnh213 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shad0wmaster
regardless of the scientific basis behind the uranium thing, that flash was hideous...i can't believe the US can allow that stuff to happen and still claim to be the greatest country on earth. |
im curious what do you think is the greatest country in the world? |
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| Photo_bot_2k1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abject Silver
you're thinking particles.
radioactivity isn't particles, man. it's electromagnetism. (gross oversimplifaction, yes, i know.)
cell deformation by radiation isn't caused by the dust that's settled after a DU shell is embedded into the ground or what have you. if that were the case, then children wouldn't still be born in hiroshima and nagasaki with half an arm.
read up on some physics, and it'll make more sense. not assuming anything about your current level of knowledge, of course, so i apologize. you just said something naive, and hell, i've done the same many a time. :) |
yes but the radiation thier talking about isnt electromagnetic radiation, its radioactive decay of a particle (depleted uranium)
you should read up on your own physics before you start telling other people misinformation |
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| Orbax |
mm yes alpha particles which are two protons and two neutrons travelling at great speed and then beta decay which is basically a free electron travelling quickly and finally gamma decay which is high energy wave form. Alpha is the greatest damage while easiest to protect against, beta middle middle and gamma is least damage but hardest to protect against.
takes a while to settle into stable elements as they go through all their decay phases :D |
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| montie |
| once when i was walking a girl home from school a gamma ray from the sun struck her in the eye causing her to have a seizure. she then died :( |
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| Orbax |
| but at least the body was still warm eh? nudge nudge |
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| Abject Silver |
| quote: | Originally posted by Photo_bot_2k1
yes but the radiation thier talking about isnt electromagnetic radiation, its radioactive decay of a particle (depleted uranium)
you should read up on your own physics before you start telling other people misinformation |
i think we misunderstood each other.
the thing is that electromagnetic radiation IS radioactivity/radioactive decay. the greater the instability of a substance, the more radioactive it is. this also implies having a shorter halflife because, as Orbax said, alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays, are released more readily.
what i was trying to say about your first comment was that just because something has a very long half life, does not mean it is relatively harmless.
here's a couple of links -
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030525-depleted-uranium01.htm
http://www.nrpb.org/faq/du/du6.htm
the second link talks about internal damage of DU. that's the big problem - inhalation of DU dust. when you inhale a tiny bit of it, it really won't matter how long the halflife of it is, because you won't just get rid of it in a bowel movement. it'll react chemically inside you.
like i said, i wasn't assuming anything about your current level of knowledge, so do me a favor and don't take any offense. |
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| Photo_bot_2k1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Abject Silver
i think we misunderstood each other.
the thing is that electromagnetic radiation IS radioactivity/radioactive decay. the greater the instability of a substance, the more radioactive it is. this also implies having a shorter halflife because, as Orbax said, alpha and beta particles, and gamma rays, are released more readily.
what i was trying to say about your first comment was that just because something has a very long half life, does not mean it is relatively harmless.
here's a couple of links -
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2003/030525-depleted-uranium01.htm
http://www.nrpb.org/faq/du/du6.htm
the second link talks about internal damage of DU. that's the big problem - inhalation of DU dust. when you inhale a tiny bit of it, it really won't matter how long the halflife of it is, because you won't just get rid of it in a bowel movement. it'll react chemically inside you.
like i said, i wasn't assuming anything about your current level of knowledge, so do me a favor and don't take any offense. |
listen boy,
the fact of the matter is, DU has a long half life, and becuase of that it will not decay very rapidly which means it will not release as much alpha, beta or gamma radiation
it is as simple as that.
electromagnetic radiation IS NOT RADIOACTIVE decay except for the case of gamma rays
visible light and gamma radiaiton is electromagnetic radiation
you were wrong, now please stop trying to save ur own ass, by saying stupid things like what you just said
DU can definatly be dangerous CHEMICALLY and still have a big half life, but then again cyanide is deadly and it isnt radioactive at all |
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| Orbax |
| actually half life is just saying that it has a huge mass of protons and neutrons to dump and it keeps moving around on the table of elements as electrons electrons go down...ie Pu 238 can go up a slot with a beta decay and then move down 4 with an alpha and then go up 3 after three betas et cetera. if it collapses to Fr 224 it will still be radioactive and giving off tons of alpha and beta. Cherynobyl is still uninhabitable and japan still ticks off the geiger counter |
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