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i GOT MY iq SCORE (pg. 8)
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
I've made a mistake and admited it. You might learn something from it.
Actually, no. I admit when I'm wrong, like you can see in this example. |
yeah once
| quote: | | Not really. Alcohol bottles have exact percentages of alcohol written on them. And still it often happens that people take too much. |
Ur forgetting that alcohol and heroin have completely different effects on people. Alcohol puts people into a dangerous frame of mind making them FAR more likely to drink much more than they would if they had control over themselves. It makes people do things they would not do if they were sober. Heroin doesnt.
| quote: | | Now, to die because of an alcohol overdose is possible but you really have to be a special sort of idiot to do that to yourself. |
Alcohol is easy to overdose on. Heroin is the opposite.
| quote: | | With heroin it's much easier, as there are smaller quantities involved. It's easier to shoot up an extra several grams than to drink an additional bottle of disguisting schnaps. |
Extra several grams??? U havnt a clue. An addict would usually fall asleep long before they could inject enough to kill themselves.
Fatal diamorphine overdoses are practically unheard of. Almost all reported 'overdoses' were actually not overdoses, but deaths due to impurities.
| quote: | | So I might agree that a ratio of non-overdose/overdose injections would decrease, but since the number of users would increase, the total number of deaths would likely go up. |
Firstly, overdoses would just not happen at all unless it was deliberate (but even then its definitely not easy to deliberately kill urself with diamorphine).
Secondly, would u start using heroin if it became legal?
| quote: | | Now, how many times have I seen articles where people got sick and died because of faulty alcoholic drinks containing methane or antifreeze. |
Not many, i would guess.
Anyway, if alcohol was illegal, dont u think that would happen with hundreds of times the frequency that it does now?
| quote: | | Don't be so sure on that one. Medical patients who require constant injections often suffer from the same problem of collapsed veins. A simple fact is that if you shoot up a needle into your vain on a regular basis, it will likely deteriorate. |
Often?? Yeah right.
That will only happen if u constantly inject in the same place, or more likely, dont inject properly.
| quote: | | Oh, so you'd have a large population of people all hooked on heroine? |
Would u start using heroin if it became legal?
| quote: | | How can you say that's not a negative effect??? With cigarettes it's not that difficult to stop. Of course, people go through abstinence crises, but their magnitude is nowhere as near that of heroin. |
Bollocks. Nicotine is much more addictive than heroin. In fact its the most addictive substance on this planet afaik.
And, alcohol addiction is infinitely more severe than heroin addiction. If ur addicted to alcohol, u can DIE if u dont take any.
| quote: | | Heroin causes strong physical addiction, and once a person gets addicted to it, it's a really big problem on letting go. |
But easier than giving up nicotine.
| quote: | | Cigarettes are nothing in comparison. Besides, imagine what would happen if for some reason a country's import of heroin is severed. You'd have thousands if not millions of people suffering pain and agony. |
LOL
As usual u prohibitionists have to rely on imaginary and highly unlikely scenarios to justify persecution.
| quote: | | Not to mention the ability of the government to manipulate those addicted masses. |
Oh but our nice governments would never dream of manipulating people, would they?
| quote: | | You'd have a huge part of population willing to blindly obey whatever the heroine producers say just to get their little shot. |
:haha: :haha: :haha:
Go back to the funny farm mate.
| quote: | | If the amount of people on heroin would equal to the amount of people on alcohol, the society would fall apart in a matter of days. The reason for that is, as I've already mentioned, strong physical addiction. |
And nicotine doesnt cause strong physical addiction?
| quote: | | I really hope I don't have to reiterate my Opium war example again. It clearly shows what happens when a country is filled with addicts, even if the drug is legal. |
Uhhhhh... The world IS full of addicts, nicotine addicts. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
Ur forgetting that alcohol and heroin have completely different effects on people. Alcohol puts people into a dangerous frame of mind making them FAR more likely to drink much more than they would if they had control over themselves. It makes people do things they would not do if they were sober. Heroin doesnt. |
Hmm, heroin doesn't put people in a dangerous frame of mind?
| quote: | | Alcohol is easy to overdose on. Heroin is the opposite. |
So you're saying that alcohol drinkers/alcohol death from overdose ratio is smaller than heroin users/heroin deaths from overdose???
| quote: | | Extra several grams??? U havnt a clue. An addict would usually fall asleep long before they could inject enough to kill themselves. |
They still often manage to do so.
| quote: | | Fatal diamorphine overdoses are practically unheard of. Almost all reported 'overdoses' were actually not overdoses, but deaths due to impurities. |
Care to back that up?
| quote: | | Firstly, overdoses would just not happen at all unless it was deliberate (but even then its definitely not easy to deliberately kill urself with diamorphine). |
Alcohol overdoses don't happen deliberately. People who abuse addictive substances usually aren't very rational.
| quote: | | Secondly, would u start using heroin if it became legal? |
No, but many people would.
| quote: | Not many, i would guess.
Anyway, if alcohol was illegal, dont u think that would happen with hundreds of times the frequency that it does now? |
No. The ratio would be changed but the total number of deaths would either decrease or remain the same.
| quote: | Often?? Yeah right.
That will only happen if u constantly inject in the same place, or more likely, dont inject properly. |
There have been recorded cases where patients who had to be injected with medicines often have had most of their veins deteriorated, sometimes even to the point they could no longer take those necessary medicines. Besides, most heroin addicts do have a habit of injecting in a same place (or a few places).
| quote: | | Bollocks. Nicotine is much more addictive than heroin. In fact its the most addictive substance on this planet afaik. |
Cigarettes aren't pure nicotine. The amount of nicotine in cigarettes is very small.
| quote: | | And, alcohol addiction is infinitely more severe than heroin addiction. If ur addicted to alcohol, u can DIE if u dont take any. |
That's simply not true. What is true, however, is that you can die if you don't take any heroin if you're addicted to it.
| quote: | | But easier than giving up nicotine. |
You're in conflict with reality.
| quote: | LOL
As usual u prohibitionists have to rely on imaginary and highly unlikely scenarios to justify persecution. |
For an imaginary and unlikely scenario of legalizing all drugs, the only scenario that can grasp the full consequences must be equally imaginary and unlikely. A similar scenario did happen once, however, and for the 150th time, i'll have to bring it again, and it's the Opium War.
| quote: | | Oh but our nice governments would never dream of manipulating people, would they? |
They do. Fortunately, they're not governing a nation of heroin addicts, so those dreams are much harder to turn into reality.
| quote: | :haha: :haha: :haha:
Go back to the funny farm mate. |
Again, examine the Opium War. People of the towns where british sold opium were friendly towards them untill the end of the war.
| quote: | | And nicotine doesnt cause strong physical addiction? |
Not as strong as heroin, at least in the amounts consumed by cigarette smokers.
| quote: | | Uhhhhh... The world IS full of addicts, nicotine addicts. |
Again, quitting smoking is easier than quitting heroin. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Hmm, heroin doesn't put people in a dangerous frame of mind? |
No, it doesnt. It (and opiates/opioids in general) makes u feel indescribably happy, comfortable and euphoric. Alcohol changes the way u think, often for the worse. It can make people aggressive and violent and do stupid/dangerous things. If u were on heroin, acting violently wouldnt even cross ur mind. U seriously have completely the wrong idea about this drug.
| quote: | | So you're saying that alcohol drinkers/alcohol death from overdose ratio is smaller than heroin users/heroin deaths from overdose??? |
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| quote: | | They still often manage to do so. |
No they dont.
| quote: | | Care to back that up? |
Yeah. Here is an excellent and very interesting article explaining this. Its the most comprehensive 1 i know of. Read it in full, dont just skim.
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer...ies/cu/cu12.htm
| quote: | | Alcohol overdoses don't happen deliberately. |
Exactly. Ur proving my point here. Its easy to accidently overdose (even fatally overdose) on alcohol, because u dont have to take that much for it to happen. Heroin on the other hand, even with no tolerance, u could take 5+ times the normal dose and u would still be unlikely to die
| quote: | | People who abuse addictive substances usually aren't very rational. |
:rolleyes:
| quote: | | No, but many people would. |
Legalisation of a drug doesnt mean everyones gonna start using it. Why do more tolerant countries have a lower percentage of users than the other countries?
| quote: | | No. The ratio would be changed but the total number of deaths would either decrease or remain the same. |
See above.
| quote: | | There have been recorded cases where patients who had to be injected with medicines often have had most of their veins deteriorated, sometimes even to the point they could no longer take those necessary medicines. |
Care to back that up?
| quote: | | Besides, most heroin addicts do have a habit of injecting in a same place (or a few places). |
Even so, clean drugs and injecting properly would vastly reduce that kind of damage to the users.
| quote: | | Cigarettes aren't pure nicotine. The amount of nicotine in cigarettes is very small. |
Yet nicotine addicts still experience similar withdrawal symptoms which nearly always last longer than heroin withdrawals. And there are many aspects to addiction, not just withdrawal symptoms.
| quote: | | That's simply not true. |
:rolleyes:
Go and do some reading.
| quote: | | What is true, however, is that you can die if you don't take any heroin if you're addicted to it. |
Withdrawal from heroin does not kill u.
| quote: | | Again, quitting smoking is easier than quitting heroin. |
No it isnt. |
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| TrAnCe CoNtRoL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dr. Cfire
I got a 164 from a real IQ test. |
somehow i dont believe that. the modern iq tests such as the WAIS, follow a somewhat bell shaped curve. 68% fall within the 80-115 iq score...while on the extreme end .1% have an iq of 145 or above. what was the name of the test. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrAnCe CoNtRoL
somehow i dont believe that. the modern iq tests such as the WAIS, follow a somewhat bell shaped curve. 68% fall within the 80-115 iq score...while on the extreme end .1% have an iq of 145 or above. what was the name of the test. |
1% u mean |
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| TrAnCe CoNtRoL |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ-Fuq
1% u mean |
same difference |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrAnCe CoNtRoL
same difference |
1% is 10 times more than .1% |
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| TrAnCe CoNtRoL |
| thanks for the math lesson but i was being sarcastic when i said 'same difference' |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrAnCe CoNtRoL
thanks for the math lesson but i was being sarcastic when i said 'same difference' |
Ur welcome |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| Dj-Fuq, I'm rather busy at the moment, so I will reply to your post in a few days. I'll just say at this time that you are deliberately avoiding to comprehend the complete social and economic aspect of legalizing all addictive substancese, something that I've shown from an example would be a very problematic matter. |
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| DJ-Fuq |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Dj-Fuq, I'm rather busy at the moment, |
Wasnt that convenient. Busy researching this subject i expect, hoping to find some info thatll prove me wrong.
| quote: | | so I will reply to your post in a few days. |
Come on then
| quote: | | I'll just say at this time that you are deliberately avoiding to comprehend the complete social and economic aspect of legalizing all addictive substancese, something that I've shown from an example would be a very problematic matter. |
Firstly, read the other thread where this was discussed
Secondly, even if im wrong there (which im not) it couldnt possibly be more problematic than the current situation.
Thirdly, stop trying to change the subject. This argument is not about whether or not heroin should be legal, its about whats more dangerous, heroin or alcohol. And ive clearly shown that heroin is relativly harmless.
So answer my previous post, u have had more than enough time. Strange how u have been posting in other threads when u were so 'busy':rolleyes: Hoping id forget about this, were u? |
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| Casey |
| IQ - 117 and i'm only 15 yipee! |
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