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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by borron
Now that is just plain stupid. As if north koreans had anything to pay for their regime actions. It's the same as blaming the american/israeli people for the actions of their stupid governments. |
Perhaps if we abolished passports, that would satisfy you? :rolleyes:
Look, if the USA and other countries didn't "discriminate" based on country of origin, then they'd have to do a background check on EVERYONE that came into the country. Your logic is flawed in thinking that the Iranians (for example) are being treated negatively; rather, it is the other people from Canada and the UK and France and so on, that are being given the benefit of the doubt because their governments by themselves would prosecute international terrorists before they had a chance to escape the country.
In fact I think Canada got into a lot of trouble because terrorists were operating here and getting into the USA through here - and you know what? I didn't whine, I didn't say it's unfair, I said "You know what, we deserve it, our immigration and refugee policies are crap, there's no security at all." So get over it, man, the airports are fully entitled to run background checks at their discretion, and it's none of your business what their "criteria" is. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by borron
NO, it doesn't. |
Yes it does - you allow people from other European nations to come virtually unchecked in and out of your nation - with not even a visa requirement!
As opposed to the fact that as an Israeli such as myself I need a visa to come visit Portugal, why are you discriminating against me???:rolleyes: |
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| borron |
No, you're wrong. It's not other european nations, only people who belong to countries within the european union. That's a lot different you know.
That's the same thing as between canada and usa, just envolving 15 countries. Between the 15 countries there's free trade and free passage. People from any other countries outside the european union need visas, it's not like there's stricter guidelines/visas for middle east/north korea/any other region. |
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| Dervish |
| I basicly agree with borron. Apart from the statement that the US is discriminating. The system they are employing is just there to manage a problem, not to judge people. Well not to say for example "assume everyone from here is a terrorist" it's just that "people from this place are higher risk" and so discretly that higher risk will be explored to try and minimise it. I'm not saying the US responce has been proportional just that it's not racist. It's just a risk minimisation policy, nothing more noting less. In other words not a statement of guilt or an assumtion of guilt just of higher risk. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dervish
I basicly agree with borron. Apart from the statement that the US is discriminating. The system they are employing is just there to manage a problem, not to judge people. Well not to say for example "assume everyone from here is a terrorist" it's just that "people from this place are higher risk" and so discretly that higher risk will be explored to try and minimise it. I'm not saying the US responce has been proportional just that it's not racist. It's just a risk minimisation policy, nothing more noting less. In other words not a statement of guilt or an assumtion of guilt just of higher risk. |
hey then you agree with me!
borron doesn't think this way.. at least thats what I got from what he wrote.
:conf: :p |
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| Izzy |
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm...non_hezbollah_1
BEIRUT, Lebanon - Hezbollah will kidnap more Israelis to secure the release of Lebanese prisoners, if necessary, the militant movement's leader warned Thursday.
this is why you dont do business with terrorists |
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| occrider |
| Wtf ... that is indeed ed up. You would think that hezbollah would take the trade deal in good faith and recognize it as a sign that progress and agreement can be worked out. If they do indeed start taking more hostages to engineer trade deals then I would say them. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by occrider
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then I would say them. |
Oh so your trying to say you support them now?!
Terrorist supporter!!! Terrorist supporter!!!
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Ashcroft! Oh Ashcroft, bring your boys we have a terrorist here!
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| DrummeRaver86 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
The US doesn't racially profile. |
yoepus, you don't know how wrong you are. I've been a target of racial profiling many, many, many times. "It categorially puts stricter guidelines on people originating for the middle east" is racial profiling.
I'm 17, yoepus, 17. I will you bet you all my money I'm on some sort of US watchlist because I fit the terrorist category. How is that not racial profiling? Every time i travel, i am subjected to "random" security checks. how is that not racial profiling. pull your head out of your ass. My mom, my 5'2'', 48 year old mom has been asked to "wasit in the side room" so they can check her out. If you believe that racial profiling doesn't exist in America, I am through with you because obviously you don't know what's going on. If you would like me to cite other instances in which I have been the target of racial profiling, feel free to ask.
NOW, if for some reason i misunderstood your post, please tell me in which case I will gladly break my foot off in my own ass. If, however, I read your post correctly, please also indicate that. |
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| Palestinian |
| Borron, they actually show Palestinian homes being demolished on tv in portugal? I'm not surprised you support us. It's so rare, if ever, that they show these things on tv in North America. And if they do show a home being demolished they're quick to mention that it belonged to a suicide bomber, even though homes are demolished everyday and thousands made homeless, not to mention the farms and orchards plowed up and the thousands of trees uprooted-destruction of the economy and livelihood. |
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| dj_ilan_yosef |
| quote: | Originally posted by Palestinian
Borron, they actually show Palestinian homes being demolished on tv in portugal? I'm not surprised you support us. It's so rare, if ever, that they show these things on tv in North America. And if they do show a home being demolished they're quick to mention that it belonged to a suicide bomber, even though homes are demolished everyday and thousands made homeless, not to mention the farms and orchards plowed up and the thousands of trees uprooted-destruction of the economy and livelihood. |
Cry me a river! |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by DrummeRaver86
yoepus, you don't know how wrong you are. I've been a target of racial profiling many, many, many times. "It categorially puts stricter guidelines on people originating for the middle east" is racial profiling.
I'm 17, yoepus, 17. I will you bet you all my money I'm on some sort of US watchlist because I fit the terrorist category. How is that not racial profiling? Every time i travel, i am subjected to "random" security checks. how is that not racial profiling. |
this would be "national profiling" then or "Age/sexual profiling", they are not discriminating against you because of your race hence they are not racially profiling you.
I've had many Israeli friends that look like Arabs that had no trouble coming in and out of the country.. so obviously they are not using race as a criteria.:D |
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