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What is one Israeli life worth? (pg. 5)
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| Cyrus King |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Did you actually read his post? It's got nothing to do with what race you are, it's what area you came from. You came from the middle east. It's a risky area. It's national, not racial. Get it through your head, it makes no more sense to say people are anti-arab than it does to say they're anti-semitic.
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You are wrong here. My sister doesnt even look middle eastern and she was stopped becuase they found out she was part iranian in decent. Weve lived in Canada our whole lives. Why was she interrogated by Americans? Becuase of her race...the region where she came from was NORTH AMERICA. |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
You are wrong here. My sister doesnt even look middle eastern and she was stopped becuase they found out she was part iranian in decent. Weve lived in Canada our whole lives. Why was she interrogated by Americans? Becuase of her race...the region where she came from was NORTH AMERICA. |
I'm quiet curious, how did they find that out exactly.. that she was part Iranian?
If she is a Canadian citizen, and doesn't look middle eastern, and she was still stopped .. ya thats defintely racisim right there:rolleyes:
Its true.. those INS bastards are racisits.. its just like when they stopped my white-Austrilian friend last year when he was coming back from spring break in Mexico and they decided to kick him out of the country because they thought he was coming to work illegally... damn racist.:rolleyes: |
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| tathi |
| whats an Austrilian? :D |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by tathi
whats an Austrilian? :D |
an Aussie who uses trillian ?
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| tathi |
| ah no wonder they wouldn't let him into the country |
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| borron |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
the whole casualties of war arguement is completely pointless, it shows nothing regardling the morality of either side nor which side is more deserving of praise
In WW2 the German suffered more casualties then the Americans and there were more civilians killed on axis grouds then there were on the allied areas, does this mean that the Allies were more evil or that the axis were better because they suffered more casualties? No.
Most of the fighting that exsists is done on palestinian territories, hence we can see a logical conclusion that more palestinians would be killed, does this imply that israel is morally inferior? No. |
First of all, the Allies suffered more casualties. You know, the allies were more than the USA. There was one country which suffered the most casualties than all, and it was an ally (hint: USSR).
And of course the fighting is done in palestinian territories. Are you kidding? You guys invaded the place, what do you expect? :p
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
Yes, but this is the fallacy of statistics, they tell you nothing about the context. First, what is the definition of a child? Someone under 18 I suspect --- thats a very broad range, considering many suicide bombers were "children". |
http://www.ifamericansknew.org//stats/children1.html
185 Palestinian schools* have been shelled or fired upon by Israelis and 2 Israeli schools** have been fired upon by Palestinians since September 29, 2000.
* This number is from the Health Development Information and Policy Institute, an independent non-profit Palestinian organization. HDIP is devoted to policy research and planning regarding the Palestinian health care system in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. HDIP is devoted to advocating appropriate health and development policies, and to building a democratic Palestinian civil society.
** This number is from All For Israel, a group that provides funds to injured and killed Israelis and their families
| quote: | | Second, the manner in which Israeli children were killed - babies shot at point blank as a terrorist infiltrates civilian houses - as opposed to children killed by careless fire, is much more morally startilling and so it makes sense there are more headlines about it. |
Ha! Who told you it was careless fire? Were does it say that? And repeated headlines?
http://www.ifamericansknew.org//stats/playground.html
"A bomb, which may have been planted by Jewish extremists, exploded in a West Bank school playground yesterday, injuring 20 Palestinian children." By Conal Urquhart in Jerusalem, from the UK Guardian, April 10, 2003
So, is this morally right? |
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| Izzy |
| quote: | Originally posted by borron
First of all, the Allies suffered more casualties. You know, the allies were more than the USA. There was one country which suffered the most casualties than all, and it was an ally (hint: USSR).
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obviously you missed the point, which was that causilties rates show nothing of who is the better side.
more north vietnamese were killed then the americans, does that make them better people?
more southern state americans died in the civil war then the northern americans, does that make the south more just? |
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| Dunya |
| THE HELL WITH ISRAEL!! |
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| tathi |
:rolleyes:
great first post |
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| George Smiley |
| quote: | | more north vietnamese were killed then the americans, does that make them better people? |
It is widely accepted that America was in the wrong over Vietnam...
| quote: | | 185 Palestinian schools* have been shelled or fired upon by Israelis and 2 Israeli schools** have been fired upon by Palestinians since September 29, 2000 |
And lets not forget that Jewish terrorist group (kahane chai or summat like that) that were caught loading a bomb between an East Jerusalem school and hospital that they had set to go off at 8:30 as the children would be arriving at school...
| quote: | | Second, the manner in which Israeli children were killed - babies shot at point blank as a terrorist infiltrates civilian houses - as opposed to children killed by careless fire, is much more morally startilling and so it makes sense there are more headlines about it. |
Sorry but there must be dozens of reports where the IDF have sht children on purpose!
(Oh and somebody wanted the source that says 600 israeli deaths and 3000 palestinian deaths...Here it is (from a Jewish history site) ) |
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| DigiNut |
Ah, yes... I'm not really familiar with you, your posts, or your opinions, but I find it funny how some people will use facts and figures from Jewish/Israeli sites whenever it suits their purpose, but ignore the rest of what's on those sites or claim it has no credibility.
Do you believe in the credibility of that site as a source? If so, you should also be taking into account the other points it makes.
Once again, I will point out that casualty rates are fairly meaningless as to right or wrong. It's to be expected, when a much weaker military power refuses to stop attacking a much stronger one, that the weaker one will end up getting more of its citizens killed. |
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| Dunya |
We remembered, Iraq, Beirut, Palestine, and the millions of Arabs Who perished under American-Israeli aggression over the last 50 years, and that bitter sweet feeling would come back “hell, let them feel one day what we were feeling for half a century because of them”, you would hear that everywhere, and above all places in your own mind.
We started wondering, “what is going on with us” and almost everybody would answer “ look how far did they bring us” everybody also said “ they were killing us, humiliating us and oppressing us for so long that we lost a part of our humanity, that part that cherishes human life unconditionally”. We tried to understand our reactions, why didn’t we mourn the dead, why didn’t we feel as terrified as the rest of the world did? Well maybe because, no one mourned our dead, no one stood even a second of silence for the half a million (and some say one million) Iraqi children slaughtered (albeit very neatly) by the American-British embargo. They taught us by killing us over and over again that human life is so cheap, that thousands and thousands of us scattered by their “smart” bombs are nothing but regrettable “collateral damage”, regrettable but acceptable.
“Make no mistake” we are no heart-bleeding softies wanting to save the dolphins, and we do not have a “turn the other cheek” value making us feel guilty whenever we don’t (Europe is so imprisoned in its guilt feelings since it NEVER turned the other cheek), our culture and religion both say “ you hit me on my cheek, I give you a blow in your face. You stay out of my way, I will not bother you”. But at the same time, we have a very deeply rooted value, both religious and cultural, that a “soul” is sacred and should never be killed unless in self-defense or when executing a criminal murderer.
Our nation was not build through a process of genocide and ethnic cleansing like the United States or Israel. So the value of mass murder is not own to our heritage. Our heroes are not Indian-killing cowboys, or criminals like Begin, Shamir and Sharon, and we would not give a medal to someone after burning a whole city with all its men, women and children with an atomic bomb.
So whenever criminals among us (because like any nation of humans, us Arabs have also criminals among us) commit a horrible act of genocide or even a small attack against civilians, we are unable to behave like Americans and Israelis and applaud it feeling that it is a heroic act. We might applaud it yes, because once again I remind you that we are humans, we bare grudges and we are vulnerable to the seduction of revenge. But while applauding we will be feeling bad, and knowing how terrible it is. |
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