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| raoel |
I've got 2 technics MK2, and they are near perfect.
There are only 2 things that suck:
- 1: The pitch notch at 0%, removable, but i don't want to do that. MK5 en M3d doesn't have it, i think. Sp if you buy one of those you won't have that problem.
- 2: Nervous behaviour of the platter after speeding it up or slowing it down.
What is nervous behaviour?
If you're playing at +2% and you touch the platter to slow it down then it accelarates to more then 2% and slows down under +2%, and up, and down, and up again till it's axactly +2% again. This is all in less then a second, but technics should improve that.
I've played with the Synq XTRM1 (= OEM = Stanton STR8-150). This deck really beats the technics at this point. I played only 15 minutes with it and i liked it more then my techs* because it doesn't have the pitch notch, but most of all beceause of it's behaviour after i touched the platter.
Though, i would buy technics if i had to and i got enough money :cool:
I don't know how reliable the OEM is, but a tech is, that's for sure!
* I don't have enough experience to compare the arm and stability |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by raoel
- 2: Nervous behaviour of the platter after speeding it up or slowing it down.
What is nervous behaviour?
If you're playing at +2% and you touch the platter to slow it down then it accelarates to more then 2% and slows down under +2%, and up, and down, and up again till it's axactly +2% again. This is all in less then a second, but technics should improve that.
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This is true but on the other hand if you look at the majority of responses on decks out there when you touch the platter this is fairly minimal in comparison.
It's also the main arguement for using the pitch control rather than faffing around with the deck plate.
The 'Stanton Jobby Thingy Mabobby' (calling it by Freak's technical description) that allows you to alter speed but not pitch is complete wank anyways (I'm sure he would tell you that too:)). i.e. it doesn't actually work properly as it does strange things to the signal that it's not suposed to. Double beats and so on. This does work better on CD players though as the source sound is digital.
Any DJ who is worth his salt can get around those problems anyways.
If someone made a good, no nonsense deck to compete with the Techs then I would be interested but they don't. It's always got extra bits on it that are just pointless.
Very often it's stuff that's designed to make the e DJ seem like a good DJ but in most cases it ends up sounding like a e DJ using e decks.
I'm not against inovation but the stuff on the new decks is not exactly inovative. It's usually designed to help less gifted individuals sound like they can do what a good DJ already can without technical help.
*BPM counters... yeah right.
*Keep pitch alter speed... Don't need it. If a track doesn't go then chances are 'it doesn't go' if you see what I mean.
*Reverse button.... Well, it has limited uses and not exactly worth the extra you would pay for it. Besides if you really want to play something backwards you can actually do it on a 1200 too. Just get a roll of brown tape, plonk it in the middle of your platter. Place the record you want to play face down on the tape roll and then unscrew your cart and put it back upside down and you're away.
*Extended pitch... this can actually be used really well and creatively, but the majority of music can only be taken so far before it sounds like Chipmunks on speed anyways. You could however use this to create your very own Scooter style mash up if you wanted. Turntablists do some awesome stuff with this function such as actually playing a tune using the pitch controler to change notes (Usually performed with a constant sound that loops at the end of a battle record).
*Straight arms are actually good for turntablists but the irony is that a lot of those guys will still opt for a Tech anyways.
To be fair though, there are some decks out there that are worth a look if you can't afford Techs.
One thing to keep in mind though is that decks are just not made for trance DJs . Perhaps there are some DJs who may find some of those functions useful. It all comes down to picking what works best for you and the style you play.
I would like to see a constructive arguement for the other decks from original poster though as he obviously felt passionately about it enough to start a thread on it. Just simply a 'because I said so' arguement doesn't justify it.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
sorry i found this funny :stongue:
Panasonic IS Technic :haha:
Yeh thats the one... that model is IMO. But what can i say, it's the cheapest Stantons so no surprise... BUT then again, i would still go with Techs. |
I know you fanny. Thats the joke..... |
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| [BE]FusioN`-- |
it's not because a deck has a lot of extra's, you have to use them. I have 10-50% pitch range & reverse and i never use it...
but who carez if the deck's still cheaper than techs?
That's my point: you talk about paying for stuff you hardly ever use, but here's why: because it's still cheaper than technics.
I don't see why technics keeps its price so ridiculously high.
Anyway, i just can't stand the fact that the only real argument for technics is the fact that it's the 'standard' (next to its durability, but you just can't compare). This whole standard technics stuff is why no other turntable will get a chance to become the new standard. Even if it's a better turntable, because it will never get a 'fair' chance. |
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| ludeboy12 |
exactly.....and the only reason its the standard is cause it was like the first and hence hit the scene first way way back in the day.....
same goes with the pio cdj1000....its nice and all but its NOT the best by far....yet its the "standard" because it was out before the denon s5k and dj go used to it....
i really think the issue here is peeps are affraid of change....djs are and have always been used to technics since the begining and all the clubs are too pusy to change....
i dont really care either way though....i use what i want to use....
id rather go against the grain and be origonal.....never really liked front runners....
lol...just my .02 though |
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| T:REBEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
on what basis do people think technicks are by far and away the best!!
this concept is soooo wrong!
just coz they last years and years and are relyable makes them best?!?!?! other decks suck as TTX's, STANTON STR8150,VESTAX PDX2x00 all (at least) just as good as any techs!! these decks have not been around long enough for people to know if they last a milion years. just coz every club uses them everyone neads them. wow like its soooo hard to get used to a differant deck!
come on people open your eyes to the newer technology that is out there and much much better! |
Why? 'Cuz they just are. They're durable and reliable. It's simple design that is user-friendly. All the new tables feature more torque and other fancy gadgets. That's fine too, but when you think about it, the Techs are almost maintanance free.
Sure the TT-X1's may have more torque and features, but I've seen how they've overheated. More features means that there are more things that will break down. I mean look at the PDX-2000s. They were great but after a year or two the motor would go bad. I can't tolerate straight-arm technology either.
I own a TT-X1 and yeah it's fun to play around with but I realized that I don't even use all the features. I would have been better off just getting another M3D.
In my own opinion, those new tables except the straight-arms, are better suited for the battle DJs. They'll be doing more trick mixing and beat juggles. |
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| Luke Terry |
| ive played about on a lot of decks, including the str8-100s which have serious pitch issues and nasty wow and flutter tendancies and the pdx2000s which seem to have a delay on the time u move the pitch slider and the time it kicks in. i'm not saying i would rather use really low end decks, which i do on a semi-regular basis at a friend's house. i'm just saying, that with the chance i've had at playing on a few different setups, i prefer my own, all compartments thereof, 2xtechs 1200s mk2s, djm600s + a cdj800. if i wasn't happy they would have been changed ;) |
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| raoel |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
This is true but on the other hand if you look at the majority of responses on decks out there when you touch the platter this is fairly minimal in comparison. |
The OEM is MUCH better at this point. No doubt about that.
Al the other features of both decks are equel, i think and if i have to believe the reviews. I'm only spinning for a year now, maybe i don't have enough experience/knowlodge to give this opinion.
That's why i think that this OEM is maybe even better then the techs, but we don't know if it's just as reliable.
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
It's also the main arguement for using the pitch control rather than faffing around with the deck plate. |
OK true, but if you are in a hury while your mixing you don't always have time to correct it with the pitch slider. |
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| Nemesis44 |
| quote: | Originally posted by raoel
OK true, but if you are in a hury while your mixing you don't always have time to correct it with the pitch slider. |
Not quite true my friend. :)
It depends on how you do it. I would be willing to put money on the fact that I could make a correction at least as fast if not faster using the pitch than you guys who use the platter. You would also stand a greater chance of hearing the platter correction.
To ride the pitch properly you have to learn a range of very small fast movements so you almost wiggle the pitch slider back and fourth in a position that depends on if the record is going faster or slower.
A skill well worth learning I promise.
Cheers
Nem |
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| Dervish |
| quote: | Originally posted by [BE]FusioN`--
Anyway, i just can't stand the fact that the only real argument for technics is the fact that it's the 'standard' (next to its durability, but you just can't compare). This whole standard technics stuff is why no other turntable will get a chance to become the new standard. Even if it's a better turntable, because it will never get a 'fair' chance. |
EXACTLY!!! I've not got issue with ppl liking/loving techs just so long as it isn't "the brand" rather than the actual deck. Hence my attepmt to get someone to go "techs everytime" in relation to "panasonic" decks... hehehe(don't know why I'm laughing it never worked). I hate that statement "Technics everytime" or "only technics are proper decks". I think most ppl agree that everyone can buy what they like in the end, i.e. each to their own. I just hate people saying the aformentioned "be all and end all" "statements". I also hate people doing "that" all the time and I just noticed "I" do. :p |
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| dukes |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nemesis44
I would like to see a constructive arguement for the other decks from original poster though as he obviously felt passionately about it enough to start a thread on it. Just simply a 'because I said so' arguement doesn't justify it.
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the techs are so basic. other decks have new features so people have the ability to create new sounds. if things didnt need new inovations then we would never have aplied electricity to gitars (cant spell) coz regular gitars "do the job" in the same way as techs do. but look at all the amazing things that people can do with electric gitars over regular.
kind of rambling a little...
granted many of the featurs are crap like displays and things but i personaly recon that dule fader control on them gemini decks is a brilliant idea that can be used to create a whole range of new and origonal sounds.
i recon the reverse button could be ace if someone could figure out nice effects with it:whip:
im not gonna argue for a spicific deck just i dont like the stick with the basic philosify coz if we have the ability to move forward creating a new world of intresting sounds that are not avalable on the basic techs. |
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| `pr0digy |
| quote: | Originally posted by dukes
i personaly recon that dule fader control on them gemini decks is a brilliant idea that can be used to create a whole range of new and origonal sounds.
i recon the reverse button could be ace if someone could figure out nice effects with it:whip:
im not gonna argue for a spicific deck just i dont like the stick with the basic philosify coz if we have the ability to move forward creating a new world of intresting sounds that are not avalable on the basic techs. |
You have a bit of a point, but not on the weak pitch control of the Vestax. If it takes a second to kick in, how would that make new and interesting sounds ? You can do the same "effect" on any deck, you just wait the extra bit and then change the pitch ;) |
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