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| DJ_FRAZ |
most of you will remember i used to go on about lauren and these photos i used to take of her.
Well now shes gone and used them without my permission and uploaded them to some model sites.
People pay £1.50 a time to look at them, so therefore she is making profit and the website is making profit off them.
i got a bit pissed off and had an email conversation with the webmaster: (read from the bottom upwards..) (ignore the dates also.. my pc thinks is february and i can't be arsed to change it)
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As i said, i have all original photos.. i'll have more than you do aswell because she won't have sent you them all because of ones she
didn't like etc. So i have COMPLETE sets of photos whereas you don't.
I can prove that bedroom is mine by means of other photos or webcam.
I have JPG EXIF information for ALL photos which shows which make and model camera the photos were took with, and i can prove to you that i own that camera. I can prove to you the exact date and time the photo's were took, the date the photo was digitized and what software was used to edit/chop/resize and re-save.
Why do you need your designer to confirm any proof?
----- Original Message -----
From: AngelX
To: Fraz B
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: Lauren121
Hi,
I cannot see how this can be proven...
Until there can be proof that my designer will confirm as substantial the images shall stay live
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraz B
To: AngelX
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: Lauren121
Lauren Elliot... aka lauren on your site...
http://www.angelx.net/preview.php?id=304
every single one of those photos were taken in my bedroom, on my camera, and were loaded onto my pc. I sent them Lauren for viewing and never gave her permission to upload them to you.
Im not happy about this at all, as you and lauren are obviously benefitting financially from this.
Mr Fraser Blakemore
----- Original Message -----
From: AngelX
To: Fraz B
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: Lauren121
Hi
Can i ask who you are refering to? A link if possible
Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: Fraz B
To: [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Lauren121
All her photo's are my photo's which I took.. shes used them without my permission.
I want them taking down immediateley.
I have JPEG Exif Information to match up with the images that she sent you. So if you need proof that they're mine i can give it you.
Mr Fraser Blakemore
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what can i do here? shes done it on another website aswell. cosmic babes or some tacky . but both are profitting. thats whats pissing me off its not just faceparty or something. THEY ARE MAKING GOD DAMN MONEY FFS.
Am i right to continue these emails and putting forward that im not happy about it and that she was wrong in using the photos without my permission? that said they accept my proof that those photos are mine. |
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| Cru5ad3r |
| No offense m8 .. yea they are your photos but why are you bothered about her making money off them .. I say let it slide unless you want a cut of the profits? :conf: |
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| TrAnCeAkI |
| fraz how did u find out about this?!! i would keep emailing them maybe persistance pays off!? thats not right u should be entiteled to some money but otherwise i mean it is HER in the pics so she can use them how she wants ? i dunno ! |
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| DJ_FRAZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cru5ad3r
No offense m8 .. yea they are your photos but why are you bothered about her making money off them .. I say let it slide unless you want a cut of the profits? :conf: |
because we fell out, i don't talk to her anymore. I can't stand her.
Shes making profit from my photos which she didn't ask permission to upload, and now shes making money from it. Its annoyed me adam thats all |
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| DJ_FRAZ |
| quote: | Originally posted by TrAnCeAkI
fraz how did u find out about this?!! i would keep emailing them maybe persistance pays off!? thats not right u should be entiteled to some money but otherwise i mean it is HER in the pics so she can use them how she wants ? i dunno ! |
say for instance paul underhill (if u know him, clubbing photographer)
takes a photo of ME... just because im on it doesn't mean i can use it how i want. get me?
im not bothered about money, i just want the photos taking off. |
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| Cru5ad3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_FRAZ
say for instance paul underhill (if u know him, clubbing photographer)
takes a photo of ME... just because im on it doesn't mean i can use it how i want. get me?
im not bothered about money, i just want the photos taking off. |
Hmm yea i see your side .. but at the end of the day you got to ask yourself whether its the right thing to be doing, if its over then you should forget about it and move on ..
In terms of clubbing photos permission is usually seeked from the photographed and not the photographer .. seeing as its lauren on the pics surely you took those photos of her to share for both of you?
I'll be blunt and honest here m8 .. to me it seems as though ur angry that shes used the pics you took to make money off what was once a collection from a relationship .. and thats fair enough I guess I would be too .. but is she really doing it to hurt you or is it that they were good photos and shes using the opportunity to make some money off her beauty?? I guess if she was a better person she would have settled it b4 hand or cut you soem profit for helping her out in her new money-maker .. but I guess few ppl think of much else besides themselves and can she be blamed in this instance due to the split-up?
I dont know .. I dont have the answers :sadgreen: |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cru5ad3r
In terms of clubbing photos permission is usually seeked from the photographed and not the photographer .. seeing as its lauren on the pics surely you took those photos of her to share for both of you?
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nah, gatecrasher have to buy the photos off paul underhill along with anyone else who wants a copy included the people in the photgraph...
...whoever took the picture has exclusive rights to it as it is their "art" so to speak. |
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| Yella Fella |
its hard to say... because even though u took them photos, in a sense u gave them to her, so surely she can do what she wants with them? you haven't exactly copyrighted those pics. Plus also, in what context were the pics taken? etc
Like with our pause pics from your camera and al, cos we have uploaded them to our web site, does that mean u guys can sue us for using them commercially?
Another way of looking at it, u know Sarah and Nick? the pause models we used for the promotional postcards? Well i have all the orig pics for them, even though it was took on my camera they can do what they want with them surely. Whereas the ones retouched in photoshop for print use, they will be copyrighted to us.
I understand from ur point of view, but i think its down to copyright of the owner of those photos possibly. Technically speaking she shouldn't of had copies of those pics. |
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| Ste |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yella Fella
Like with our pause pics from your camera and al, cos we have uploaded them to our web site, does that mean u guys can sue us for using them commercially?
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no but yu could theoretically sue sum1 else for using them commercially, as you took them. |
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| tu_face |
i see it like this:
you have proof of conception of the photographs, along with the original data written to your hard drive which will date back further than any other copy of the file (and possibly the original flash card with them still on..?), and this person has used your intellectual property to their own financial gain, which is the very definition of copyright theft in this country.
if it pisses you off then go for it, but if you really want to get rid of all the pics it will take a lot of persuing and a lot of effort, and you have to ask yourself if it pisses you off enough to do all that persuing :) |
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| Misty Kitty |
she looks like a bit of a slut to me, i say give as many of the pictures to as many pron sites as possible and let the lady's rep slide (or is that the bitchy answer, she's doing it herself anyway whats the harm) and be glad that you are rid of a lady without intergrity.
other than that chase for some from of retribution whether this be financial or the rights to the pics, but to be honest i would let it slide, it all depepnds on your level of pissed off ness i suppose, if she's pushed you to the point of hatred i don't see the point in prolonging the negative emotions surrounding her and the pics |
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| tu_face |
| or just offer to sell her the pictures :toothless |
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