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Fuck algorithm (pg. 3)
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| Seric |
| quote: | Originally posted by FuzzyGreen
BTW - " algorithm" is a great title for a song, mind if I use it for one of my minimal technoish percussive songs? |
Ahaha it is a great title isn't it.. I was thinking the same thing, but more along an industrial/ambient/trance feel. |
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| Sloouh |
I think one great painter said you have to learn the rules before you can break them. So learn to create "conventional formulaic trance" then when you can do that you can twist it. Or of course you might not want to make trance at all but experimental stuff (Most of which ends up being terrible)
My mate skuff has made a few inivotive peices, sucessfully belnding DnB and ambiet creating very chilled yet slightly more intresting music. He can however create a very good DnB peice or a very good ambient peice if he wants. He lernt the genres and he twisted them. http://www.skuff.co.uk/pages/audio.htm |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | | I think one great painter said you have to learn the rules before you can break them. So learn to create "conventional formulaic trance" then when you can do that you can twist it. |
basically what I said... |
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| Seric |
Sounds like a bureaucratic jump-through-the-ing-hoops-first before we'll ever consider acknowledging the existance of your because of the long-ing-way-to-the-top-for-us-hacks linear administrative process that was handed down to us from the s above- Syndrome.
We couldn't watch some guy ing lay out an absolutely wailing track without even knowing how to arpeggiate a 303 like they did it back in 88'. What would this world come to?
I'm still stuck with insider dogmatism.
Although rather than a priority I think the "gain your mastery from your observations on the way to the top, and then around" idea makes a decent philosophy for people who can't jump in the water before testing it with their toes, which is just fine.. It's just not meant to be a bureaucracy. Then again, anyone who really thinks they can cater to an average audience with intellectual music is only fooling himself.
I know that there are many who agree with me, but probabkly won't speak up about it because that would probably away all of their good chances at making internet-trance-production-cronies with the elitist 1500+ forum posters who contain the magical mystery key to al of the mind-blowing tricks on how to make that supersaw wail.
-Eric |
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| alanzo |
| yeaaaahhh..... *walks away* |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Seric
[insert loads of nonsense here]
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You really don't have anything to say, do you? Sure, you know fancy words but you are not saying a thing. Cut the bull and get to the point. |
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| Pjotr G |
haha I have +1500
I'm elite! :thepirate :D
[edit] actually I checked and I don't have +1500 (1138), so I guess I can't run around telling people how to make music, darn [/edit] |
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| DJ_Ikronix |
Sweet God...
Seric. Seriously. Do you know what you're talking about? Or are you just trying to sound smart?
Repeated use of the word "" (in a non-sarcastic way that appears as though you're using it as a strong invective), isn't going to impress me. Neither is hyphenating long series of words to try to make some point about the creative process of music.
Pretending that you're "above it all" won't gain you any brownie points either. You're coming off as nothing more than a collegiate freshman art major who believes that he knows exactly what music is and what it should be, and yet knows nothing about what he's talking about. (3/3 time huh? I'd really love to hear those songs. Unless you were talking about 3/4.)
Talking about how you can "seamlessly" program in imaginary time signatures, and how we should all read up on the "true definition of trance as a theory applied to music" (as if there's a universal standard definition to any type of music) makes you appear to be nothing more than an elitist hack.
You're right. There are a lot of elitist s on the opposite side of the spectrum. The ones that bitch and moan if there isn't at least a 32-64 measure breakdown in a trance song, and how anything remotely resembling a hook is "cheese." Too bad they are a very small portion of trance listeners who happen to have a stronger presence on the internet.
I normally don't come down on people over the internet (because it is inherently a waste of time), and your implication that anyone who uses "standard" trance instruments or "formulaic" structure is a bureaucratic, untalented, shallow, worthless artist is irritating, to say the least. |
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| alanzo |
| quote: | | (3/3 time huh? I'd really love to hear those songs. Unless you were talking about 3/4.) |
I thought that time signiture looked funny.. there is no such thing as 3/3! - there's 3/32, 3/16, 3/8, 3/4, 3/2, 3/1 but no ing 3/3 - you obviously have no idea what you're talking about Seric so shut up already.. |
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| Digital Aura |
I agree with everyone.
You're all correct! |
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| Seric |
Neat, a whole slew of empty criticizm! This is getting out of hand.
You all take this way too seriously. I could go ahead and slew everythign in translation too if I didn't have anything productive to say. (ah. ah.. don't start.. that's an opinion)
I can't help but think that my logic must be fairly airtight if the only arguements you all make are about how incorrect my opinions are.. with the exception for one typo, which I'll get to ahead.
Repeated use of the word is satirical, As is this whole entire ing charade. I just wanted to have some conversation.. I mean.. Bicker. Hyphenating? Are you ing ting me? You have nothing better to criticize than hyphenating? Why don't you pour over my improper simple predicates or paragraph structure or something, give me a ing break.
Wow. With 3/3. Now that's incredible. You guys wanna keep busting my ass on a typo? That's really big of you. I'm glad that you do what it takes to convince yourselves. Funny that you didn't pick out any other typo's, which I'm sure you'd find plenty of.
I don't know. I could probably go on but the point is, you criticize me for hollow pointless attacks masqueraded by what you think are big words or something, only to deliver your own empty attack based on who you assume I am. It's foolish.
On second thought, If I'm so ing foolish, and you have such an insight as to what's really going on.. Then under that and all other circumstances you presented, why would you want to challenge someone you deem to be an Elitist hack? That's really dignified. In any case, figure out some more intelligent criticizm.
Oh and the whole "untalented, shallow, worthless artist" thing? ok, right, put words in my mouth.
On which level of formula you're referencing, I do and do not agree with you, I never put a definition on my thoughts of which formulas I'm going off about, but I'm pretty sure that you understand what kind of cliche formulas I mean. There are many opportunities within typical trance instruments and structures for ingenuity.
You are in fact absolutely correct about the small portion of trance listeners being everpresent online.
Like I said before it's all opinion. There's no reason to say anyone else is wrong, and I'm not saying anyone is wrong. I'm talking about what irritates me. |
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| paranoik0 |
nice flame-war
in the end, if one wants to make the less original track ever, what exactly is the problem? considered there is no blatant rip-off from other artists |
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