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| NeoPhono |
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As I'm sure most of you have been following, and in a dramatic turn of events, the Socialist Party will win a majority in todays's elections in Spain. This is in direct contrast to the projected comfortable win by the Popular Party prior to the Madrid bombings. In short, the Socialist Party has vowed to remove all Spanish troops from Iraq and to be far less vocal in its support of the American "War on Terror."
I'm not saying this is a good thing or bad thing, but it was obviously affected by the recent terrorist activities. To me it is sad that after such an attack the Spanish people could, for all intents and purposes give into the desires of the terrorists. Before the events of last week, the majority of Spaniards were supportive of their Popular Party government, and were set to re-relect it as the ruling party. Now, although partly due to the reaction of the Popular Party following the attacks, the Spaniards have decided to put into power a government that does exactly what al-Qaeda wishes of it: removes itself from the middle east and denoucnces its ties the the USA.
Unfortunatly this is exactly the reponse I expected of a European country after such an event, as it has been the track record for the last several decades: cower in the face of adversity.
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| imokruok |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
Unfortunatly this is exactly the reponse I expected of a European country after such an event, as it has been the track record for the last several decades: cower in the face of adversity.
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That's absolutely right. As I've posted elsewhere today, a nation has capitulated under terrorism - not because the Socialists won, but because the bombings influenced the vote. Now that al Qaeda knows they can influence voting with bombs, democracy is going to get very bloody.
You know, the British and the rest of Europe tried appeasement once, and several years later, the whole world had to get involved to reverse the consequences. I leave you with this great Churchill quote:
"An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." |
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| smokeape |
Nothing to flame here. Spain backed up the US in Iraq with understanding that they may become a target.
Thye've arrested five people associated with the bombings, I believe to be all foreigners. Work was mark of terrorist organizations. They're doing a good job of keeping folks on their toes. Doing a real damn good job in Iraq. I really hate to compliment the terrorists on attacks, but they're fighting back with some effectiveness. This was a particularly effective strike. Won't end until we root them all out...
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| YaleTrance |
You obviously don't know about Spanish politics. :rolleyes:
First of all, it was obvious since early in the day of the attack that the Partido Popular was manipulating the facts of the tragedy to use it for electoral gain. For God's sake, the whole government accused ETA right away without any evidence whatsoever, when it was incredibly blatant that ETA could not have done a terrorist attack of that magnitude in any shape or form.
Why didn't they come out with the truth and accuse Al-Qaida right away as they should've done? Because 95% of Spaniards were against the war in Iraq. And now 3-11 happened, a horrible and sad tragedy which would have NEVER ocurred if Aznar and the PP had listened to the Spanish people.
It's true that the PP were leading the polls a week before the election but they were really too close to call. But now that Spain is a victim of international Islamic terrorism as a RESULT of Aznar's misguided foreign policy, the Spanish people were smart enough to oust that party, which is the party of the former militants of Francisco Franco's horrible dictatorship. :rolleyes:
FYI, The PSOE has a very anti-terrorist history, they cracked down on ETA big time in the late seventies and eighties. With the PSOE in power, Spaniards can feel way more secure than with the PP. The young democracy of Spain now has a bright future that some people wanted to deny it.
¡Que viva España y el PSOE coño! :D |
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| ahlamalek |
90% of Spanish people were against the war. People were shouting in the streets that it was the fault of the govt why this happened.(govt supporting the war).
what did you expect? :rolleyes: |
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| ahlamalek |
if Canada had gone to war in Irak, I could bet a 1000$ that we would be targets to some retaliatory terrorist attacks...
who he plays with fire get burnt... |
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| YaleTrance |
| Very well put as always, Vesa. Thank God there are people with your wisdom and knowledge from an European perspective in this forum to counter the generic and superficial political thoughts of American conservatives who buy into the Bush agenda and can only think in black and white terms. |
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| tranceaholic |
| question..has it been proven that is al quaeda yet? |
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| tathi |
terrorism wins? supporting the war is supporting state sponsored terrorism.
nice post vesa |
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| Izzy |
Vesa, firstly i wanna welcome you back. We've mentioned you in a few threads here and there in the past but you werent around :(
anyways let me get to the premise of your arguement. you state that by spain aligning itself alongside the US in the war agianst iraq it had brought the target of al qaida upon itself.
hold on a second... since when has the left advocated a connection between iraq and al-qeada :conf:
i can understand if the arguement was that those countries who fought along side the US in afghinstan agianst the taliban are targets, then yes i see the correlation, but to say that spain was attacked becuase it backed the US in a war agianst a non-al-qaida country is just an excuse. if anything it could be argued that the US did a favor to al-qaida by removing saddam and giving them a chance to set up the islamo-fasict state they've always wanted there (as there is proof al-qaida is trying to do so right now).
it is my opinion that al-qaida would have attacked somewhere in europe even if there was no war in iraq. the mere fact that american forces along with most of the worlds coalition are after al-qiada in one form or another means that they are all targets. I mean indonesia sure as hell wasnt a supporter of the war on iraq yet it faced similar bombings in bali. |
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| biodigit |
| quote: | Originally posted by NeoPhono
To me it is sad that after such an attack the Spanish people could, for all intents and purposes give into the desires of the terrorists. |
WTF?!?!:conf: Spanish people gave into the desires of the terrorists?? How did you come up with that kind of logic?? I can see you applying "either with us or against us" type of hollow statement, that this admin. has brainwashed our minds with.
This statement directy from the article you posted:
| quote: | | Turnout was high at 76 percent with voters seeming to express anger with the government, accusing it of provoking the Madrid attacks by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq, which most Spaniards opposed. |
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| YaleTrance |
| quote: | Originally posted by Izzy
Vesa, firstly i wanna welcome you back. We've mentioned you in a few threads here and there in the past but you werent around :(
anyways let me get to the premise of your arguement. you state that by spain aligning itself alongside the US in the war agianst iraq it had brought the target of al qaida upon itself.
hold on a second... since when has the left advocated a connection between iraq and al-qeada :conf:
i can understand if the arguement was that those countries who fought along side the US in afghinstan agianst the taliban are targets, then yes i see the correlation, but to say that spain was attacked becuase it backed the US in a war agianst a non-al-qaida country is just an excuse. if anything it could be argued that the US did a favor to al-qaida by removing saddam and giving them a chance to set up the islamo-fasict state they've always wanted there (as there is proof al-qaida is trying to do so right now).
it is my opinion that al-qaida would have attacked somewhere in europe even if there was no war in iraq. the mere fact that american forces along with most of the worlds coalition are after al-qiada in one form or another means that they are all targets. I mean indonesia sure as hell wasnt a supporter of the war on iraq yet it faced similar bombings in bali. |
Al-Qaeda's mission as established in its declaration of Jihad is to attack the infidel invaders that desecrate Muslim land. Although the main target is obviously the US, Spain is a legit target for Al-Qaeda just because it is a member of the "Coalition of the Willing" and has sent thousands of troops to a Muslim territory.
Al-Qaeda didn't agree with Saddam's policies and had nothing to do with his regime in Iraq, but Iraq is still a Muslim country currently occupied by foreign infidels that include Spanish troops. Just as Bin Laden was furious in the early nineties with Saudi Arabia for welcoming American troops, he was not particularly fond of the regime, but the fact that infidels were allowed in made matters much worse.
This connection between Al-Qaeda and Iraq was not made by the left, it was made by Al-Qaeda's official credo. The connection that the right made to justify the war saying that Iraq and Al-Qaeda worked together in 9-11 was simply absurd. Al-Qaeda's policy goes beyond Arab regimes when it comes to foreign invaders.
You're trying to justify your point of view by assuming that Al-Qaeda rationalizes like an American organization or like you. It simply doesn't,this is not about left vs. right, this is about acknowledging historical facts. :) |
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