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| St_Andrew |
hehe, good post sand leaper :)
i post almost only in political forum and swedish forum... sometimes also in COR, but that was more in the good old days when i had lot of free time :p
but i tend to agree about that music discussion is booring, but that is probably most because i don't know too much about what's going on right now in the trance scene... i listen only to trance thogh :)
and this forum rocks, have learned a lot here :) it's also interesting to see the viewpoint from so many different perspectives.. oh god bless the internet :p
i miss some people in this forum though:
more french (i would love "rest of the world is bashing france" threads :p)
more asians (almost non existent?)
more africans (^^)
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by St_Andrew
more french (i would love "rest of the world is bashing france"
threads :p)
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I think that's the very same reason for why most of them don't dare to set foot outside of their own local forum, since they have legions of USTAs and UKTAs just waiting for a chance to pounce on them :p |
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| Yoepus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
I think that's the very same reason for why most of them don't dare to set foot outside of their own local forum, since they have legions of USTAs and UKTAs just waiting for a chance to pounce on them :p |
oh they don't even know!!!:disbelief |
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| St_Andrew |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yoepus
oh they don't even know!!!:disbelief |
...cause they can't speak english... :p |
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| TranceGiant |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Boo ing hoo. This kind of "everything was so much better in the old days"-moaning is every bit as bad as the everyday TA issue that you describe in your post. If you had actually tried to adapt to the inevitable results of TAs immense growth instead of doing nothing but complaining and burying your head in the sand with this kind of attitude, perhaps you would actually enjoy yourself here instead of getting so worked up.
I see PvD, one of my fav DJs/producers ever, get slated every single day here. So what? There are reasons for this constant slating to ensue (just like it is with Tiesto, which if I'm not mistaken is one of the things that pisses you off most of all) and MD is there to discuss what's going on in the scene atm. PvD's current state is one of those issues, albeit not a very original or creative one. Granted there are lots of people with the infamous "newb"-attitude, but if you are going to tell me that this kind of attitude wasn't around 2 years ago, then you my friend are a dirty rotten liar. As for COR, I agree that it isn't very interesting if you aren't a part of the USTA/CANTA cliques that operate in there, but every now and then there will always be threads that have some kind of interest, you just have to put in some effort to find them.
So frankly, to all those who whine about how TA has gotten, either off or get used to the fact that TA has gotten bigger than Swamper ever had imagined. I'm not saying that TA hasn't taken a turn for the worse, cos it undoubtably has, but instead of being a complete moaner I at least try to make an effort to remedy the situation. |
:haha:
Somebody had a bad day!
The last thing I expected was causing yet another debate about the current state of Music Discussion and the forum in general. I'm not feeling like starting a revolution and get it back on track, there are more important things in my life than MD and such ;) |
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| Dmatrox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Boo ing hoo. This kind of "everything was so much better in the old days"-moaning is every bit as bad as the everyday TA issue that you describe in your post. If you had actually tried to adapt to the inevitable results of TAs immense growth instead of doing nothing but complaining and burying your head in the sand with this kind of attitude, perhaps you would actually enjoy yourself here instead of getting so worked up.
I see PvD, one of my fav DJs/producers ever, get slated every single day here. So what? There are reasons for this constant slating to ensue (just like it is with Tiesto, which if I'm not mistaken is one of the things that pisses you off most of all) and MD is there to discuss what's going on in the scene atm. PvD's current state is one of those issues, albeit not a very original or creative one. Granted there are lots of people with the infamous "newb"-attitude, but if you are going to tell me that this kind of attitude wasn't around 2 years ago, then you my friend are a dirty rotten liar. As for COR, I agree that it isn't very interesting if you aren't a part of the USTA/CANTA cliques that operate in there, but every now and then there will always be threads that have some kind of interest, you just have to put in some effort to find them.
So frankly, to all those who whine about how TA has gotten, either off or get used to the fact that TA has gotten bigger than Swamper ever had imagined. I'm not saying that TA hasn't taken a turn for the worse, cos it undoubtably has, but instead of being a complete moaner I at least try to make an effort to remedy the situation. |
I think this community is great even though its really big. You get more opinions and more input into any discussion than in other forums that seem dead. And even if you like other music like prog or house, this forum is still great. I goto PA and make a topic, and i get 1 response and its still on the first page of the music discussion. Here, you would get a bunch of response and if noone responds, it will be on page 3 by the time you get home and see it again :D
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
:haha:
Somebody had a bad day!
The last thing I expected was causing yet another debate about the current state of Music Discussion and the forum in general. I'm not feeling like starting a revolution and get it back on track, there are more important things in my life than MD and such ;) |
If you think that the content of my post was equal to "starting a revolution", then that just proves the point I tried to make in my previous post ;) Oh, and I'M having a bad day? Even if I did I'd sure as hell not get as pissed off as this...
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
okay, enough with this crap. this forum can go itself. the amount of smartass mp3 kiddies is unberable. |
over a thread like this: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums...15&pagenumber=5 |
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| Izzy |
| ya this is pretty much the only forum i post in nowadays, and barely even post at that. i guess i got the tathi syndrom essay's in the beginning, sentences now. though i do spend a lot of time reading the threads here daily. it's like a daily excercise for the mind and very entertaining |
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| TranceGiant |
Okay, although I tried to avoid such a discussion (having had enough of those in other forums already) I'll give it another try (knowing that it will likely lead to no productive result whatsoever)
| quote: | Originally posted by Sand Leaper
Boo ing hoo. This kind of "everything was so much better in the old days"-moaning is every bit as bad as the everyday TA issue that you describe in your post. If you had actually tried to adapt to the inevitable results of TAs immense growth instead of doing nothing but complaining and burying your head in the sand with this kind of attitude, perhaps you would actually enjoy yourself here instead of getting so worked up.
I see PvD, one of my fav DJs/producers ever, get slated every single day here. So what? There are reasons for this constant slating to ensue (just like it is with Tiesto, which if I'm not mistaken is one of the things that pisses you off most of all) and MD is there to discuss what's going on in the scene atm. PvD's current state is one of those issues, albeit not a very original or creative one. Granted there are lots of people with the infamous "newb"-attitude, but if you are going to tell me that this kind of attitude wasn't around 2 years ago, then you my friend are a dirty rotten liar.
So frankly, to all those who whine about how TA has gotten, either off or get used to the fact that TA has gotten bigger than Swamper ever had imagined. I'm not saying that TA hasn't taken a turn for the worse, cos it undoubtably has, but instead of being a complete moaner I at least try to make an effort to remedy the situation. |
First of all I didn't simply say "everything was better in the past". I just stated an obvious fact, namely that after a certain amount of time one will inevitably get fed up with ever-repeating topics. Not only the topics themselves became predictable, but also the pro and contra arugments for each subject. Gimme any thread title and I'll tell you WHO will post WHAT and that eventually it'll end up in a pointless flame war with no conclusion reached. The main reason is that "Music Discussion" - by definition - is doomed to fail. Given that the main subject of discussion, one's taste of music, is *subjective* any attempt for a "reasonable" debate is futile. If "TranceLover69" says that "prog sucks ballz cuz its boring, yo" I wont be able to change his opinion even if I write a 6000 paragraph post explaining to him the history of dance music, the copmplex structure of this genre and its contributions to the EDM scene as a whole. His ear will still hear the same "boring crap" and no written word will affect it. Same goes for the infamous DJ-bashing. Some will be almost personally offended when a DJ trainwrecks during a set, others won't give a and enjoy themslves ************ as long as the music played makes them dance.
The thread you quoted from was a perfect example for that. People decided to start another Tiesto- flame orgy and say how much he sold out doing an even like TiC. The point made was that by having a concert, Tiesto became a "traitor" , going against everything the true EDM spirit stands for, becoming a popstar who doesn't care for his fans but for his own status only. Not to mention people who slated Tijs for hearing bad transitions during that set.
Well, fair enough but allow me to say that personally, I find that complete bull, or at least irrelevant, seeing that I was there and had the time of my life. The whole concept was breathtaking, the vibe amazing, and most importantly the DJ made me dance and smile for 8 hours straight. What more can I ask for? Isn't THAT the very spirit of EDM? Happiness? What do I care if Tiesto earned millions of Euros as a result? He delivered a great show (and I think 25.000 others will agree) and by that did exactely what I'd expect from a DJ I go to see. So having experienced that and then readin from people who obviously weren't there but feel like ripping apart the entire event and its performer I cant help but shaking my head and resiging. Apparently the actual individual experience doesn't count anymore when all you have in mind is demonizing a person obssesively. As I wrote before, you guy would write until the year 3004 and it won't change the fact that people enjoyed themselves and that therefore the event was "legitimate" and not harming EDM. It's mostly (not saying all) the same people who will call "Traffic" when they've obviously never experienced it live.
That's just one example. It just gets ing annoying to see the same people showing their negative feelings about certain DJ's again and again. After a while this can't be excused by legitimate critic but indicates simple hatred and nothing else. And THAT phenomena surely wasn't that widespread 2.5 years ago, safe from a bit of Oakie bashing here and there. It just got out of control. I for my part got sick of Armin's soulless ASOT style. Do I look up any thread containing "Armin" and make that clear to stir up? How's that "Music Discussion" ?
That's it more or less, other than that I shouldn't be too hard on the n00bs, after all we alll have once made a "your fv. tunes atm?" thread, haven't we
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| Ondrayce |
| I enjoy trance occasionally, but for the most part I think its boring, repetitive, and unoriginal. I've heard so many remixes of Adagio for Strings and Fur Elise to make me puke. I stay away from the music discussion because I have nothing especially good to say about it. TA has a good Political debate forum so I stay here. The polls are fun too. |
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| DigiNut |
Never had even the slightest desire to post in the music discussion forum. Chillout room is alright, it has its ups and downs, sometimes there are lots of funny/interesting threads and sometimes you'll find none whatsoever for days.
Mostly I post here and in the Toronto forum, I do listen to 90% electronica and go clubbing, but I prefer to stick to my home and the people I know. ;)
Political forum is fun because I like to rant, basically. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by TranceGiant
First of all I didn't simply say "everything was better in the past". I just stated an obvious fact, namely that after a certain amount of time one will inevitably get fed up with ever-repeating topics. Not only the topics themselves became predictable, but also the pro and contra arugments for each subject. Gimme any thread title and I'll tell you WHO will post WHAT and that eventually it'll end up in a pointless flame war with no conclusion reached. The main reason is that "Music Discussion" - by definition - is doomed to fail.
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I agree that this is a problem, but I think you are truly not bothering to make an effort if you think this is all that happens in MD nowadays. I could dig up several threads where there has been a healthy and constructive debate, but obviously you are too busy ranting about all the newbs that are around to even bother looking for them.
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Given that the main subject of discussion, one's taste of music, is *subjective* any attempt for a "reasonable" debate is futile. If "TranceLover69" says that "prog sucks ballz cuz its boring, yo" I wont be able to change his opinion even if I write a 6000 paragraph post explaining to him the history of dance music, the copmplex structure of this genre and its contributions to the EDM scene as a whole. His ear will still hear the same "boring crap" and no written word will affect it. Same goes for the infamous DJ-bashing. Some will be almost personally offended when a DJ trainwrecks during a set, others won't give a and enjoy themslves ************ as long as the music played makes them dance.
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The thread you quoted from was a perfect example for that. People decided to start another Tiesto- flame orgy and say how much he sold out doing an even like TiC. The point made was that by having a concert, Tiesto became a "traitor" , going against everything the true EDM spirit stands for, becoming a popstar who doesn't care for his fans but for his own status only. Not to mention people who slated Tijs for hearing bad transitions during that set.
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No offense, but are you so blinded by the whole show and your devotion to Tiesto that you don't see the fact that these are all valid points, and that they are all good subjects for debate?
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Well, fair enough but allow me to say that personally, I find that complete bull, or at least irrelevant, seeing that I was there and had the time of my life. The whole concept was breathtaking, the vibe amazing, and most importantly the DJ made me dance and smile for 8 hours straight. What more can I ask for? Isn't THAT the very spirit of EDM? Happiness? What do I care if Tiesto earned millions of Euros as a result? He delivered a great show (and I think 25.000 others will agree) and by that did exactely what I'd expect from a DJ I go to see. So having experienced that and then readin from people who obviously weren't there but feel like ripping apart the entire event and its performer I cant help but shaking my head and resiging. Apparently the actual individual experience doesn't count anymore when all you have in mind is demonizing a person obssesively. As I wrote before, you guy would write until the year 3004 and it won't change the fact that people enjoyed themselves and that therefore the event was "legitimate" and not harming EDM. It's mostly (not saying all) the same people who will call "Traffic" when they've obviously never experienced it live.
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That's YOUR opinion. However, there are plenty of issues regarding TiC (not just the show itself, but everything that is related to it also) that throw its value into question, and those were adressed in that thread by various people (granted some of them could have been slightly more constructive, but more than valid points nevertheless). That you have a problem accepting this merely strengthens my theory that the reason you complain about TA is the fact that you can't take people's criticism against the things you like. Also, the fact that you complain about how "individual experiences don't count anymore" is a contradiction, since individual experiences include those who listened to the show on the radio or watched the DVD. The fact that you generalize them all to be obessed with hatred for Tiesto doesn't strengthen your case either.
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That's just one example. It just gets ing annoying to see the same people showing their negative feelings about certain DJ's again and again. After a while this can't be excused by legitimate critic but indicates simple hatred and nothing else.
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I'm sorry, but I've yet to see so much of the uncalled for slating that you speak of here. All the times I've seen Tiesto or PvD getting their bashing for instance, it has ALWAYS been because the thread starter put a part of their career up for debate, and that justifies the criticisms that you obviously have such big problems handling. For instance, if someone starts a thread about what ppl think of ASOT, Armin last night, Armin's new CD or whatever, ppl are fully justified if they want to go into one of these threads and spew venomous criticism about Armin's soulless ASOT style and how Armin has gotten. Of course there are the ppl who just say "Armin sux balls yada yada yada", which is lame, but it is certainly nothing new, it's just noticed much more nowadays cos TA has gotten so big.
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And THAT phenomena surely wasn't that widespread 2.5 years ago, safe from a bit of Oakie bashing here and there. It just got out of control. I for my part got sick of Armin's soulless ASOT style. Do I look up any thread containing "Armin" and make that clear to stir up? How's that "Music Discussion"?
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